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Here’s a great piece of advice it comes from Belize Don’t call the alligator a big mouth till you across the river.

I love that That’s nice.

That’s kind of like about not taunting bullies and until you’re safely behind your door or something right exactly right with a little Taste of don’t count your chickens until they’re hatched I love proverbs.

I love the way that they can sum up so much wisdom in just a few words Yeah, they’re culturally attached aren’t they they’re not the kind of thing that necessarily you’re gonna find the same proverbs in every country Are you know and if you want proof of that?

There’s a huge book out called as they say in Zanzibar proverbial wisdom from around the world It’s by the prolific language writer David Crystal He’s got a picture of a couple of elephants on the front, and it says when two elephants tussle.

It’s the grass that suffers Yeah, there were more than 2,000 proverbs in this book and it looks like he’s done a great deal of research to pluck them out from as many cultures and Languages as he could find there’s one.

I like from Cameroon It is the pot that boils, but the dish gets the credit in other words We often fail to give credit to people who do the real work, right?

We’ll give credit to the front man like let’s say you go to a concert and there’s Barbara Streisand is singing We’ll say oh Barbara’s concert was great.

Yeah, you know there are 400 roadies.

You know who helped Barbara do it exactly So I love that the Proverbs just a really great way of summarizing the lessons that we all eventually get around to learning Exactly although I didn’t see one of my favorites, which is don’t do your deep fat frying in the nude How long did it take you to learn that It’s true it’s true trust me, and I thought those were freckles Believe you me.

It’s true Well if you’d like to talk about language old sayings new words grammar slang you name it call us the numbers 1 8 7 7 9 2 9 9 6 7 3 that’s 1 8 7 7 way words Or send us your delicious emails to words at waywordradio org.

Hi you have A Way with Words Hello, hi, who’s this?

This is Betsy from Cape Cod.

Well.

What’s going on Betsy?

Well, we’re looking for the polite word for the current spouse of your ex-spouse So your ex-husband has a new spouse.

Are you on good terms with them not necessarily?

Polite word because I mean at some point I might be Somebody else’s this right good point right right, so what have you come up with so far?

Well one of my friends came up with her wife because it’s the current wife, but it also sort of unfortunately I felt that it kept the the other word in there And the other one we found out, but again it was again both That’s a female thing and then another female thing would was that I came up with was xox.

That’s what it was xox In all the legal stuff I was always the ux Right for the Latin for wife right looks or right okay, so ex ux yes Well, that’s kind of nifty I don’t it might be difficult to spread though because it’s gonna require you explain it every single time that you say it And I’m having enough trouble explaining the relationship the first time around.

I don’t want to have to be explaining it I want a word that I can just say when I have to refer to this person Or if I was on the other side when somebody had to refer to me This is this is what you call them is your relationship with your ex-husband such that you could call his new wife that poor woman Again somebody would think that I was being derogatory And I don’t put that out there if I don’t you know you don’t want to be mean to your ex-husband or his new wife Right right.

I’m trying to be you know I’m I’m distantly related through marriage to Emily Post and I’m trying to get this right there We go generosity of spirit.

I like that what about like they do for Voldemort and the Harry Potter books and movies call her You know who?

I Gotta tell you that I’m I’m stumped because it brings out the kind of sharpest desire to be to be I’m just a little mean Doesn’t it oh absolutely?

Yeah, but Betsy’s point is that it could come back to bite her sure I don’t do that person one day right you cut my Husband, but with somebody else’s ex-husband wow well You know as grant will be the first person to tell you it’s really really really hard to coin a word and get it into The English language, but I’m starting to think that you know English doesn’t have an academy like the French But I’m thinking we need a language Academy of the air here just to designate words Because because there are all kinds of words like that that don’t exist yet For those kinds of relationships well, I think we just need to decide arbitrarily and spread it I would agree with that, but let’s just agree.

I think Betsy already said this that Kerwife doesn’t work Cuz it has C.

You are which is a name for a dog in it right right?

Xx is pretty good It’s it’s kind of awkward to say, but let’s go ahead and put that number one on our list And then I think we need to turn on the sirens Martha and get the flashing lights going and and have the new word Special and solicit requests from our listeners.

What do you say to that Betsy?

What do you call?

What’s a one-word short easy-to-understand way to refer to your ex-husband’s new wife?

I don’t know The polite word Everybody’s been able to come up with With the impolite one right you can call us one eight seven seven nine two nine nine six seven three or email us To words at waywordradio org Betsy.

I want to thank you so much for calling us today Yeah, it helps on the way.

Don’t worry.

Thank you so much Bye-bye Well, the corning one is always tough Martha because you can come up with something that you think is the cleverest thing in the world And everyone else will go exactly Exactly, so call us one eight seven seven nine two nine nine six seven three or send us an email with your suggestion For what to call the spouse of your ex a polite term has to be polite or it will be disqualified And you can send that to words at waywordradio dot o RG.

Hello.

You have A Way with Words Hi, this is Steve calling from Milwaukee Steve hi there I have a question that has been baffling me for the longest time and I’m hoping that you two experts can help me with this One how long has it been?

How long has it been it has been a long time and you know today?

It is a very warm day in Milwaukee and last night It was very dark and in February it usually snows and in June it Usually rains and my question is when I talk about it.

What does it refer to?

What is it what is it the dark what is it that snow Given how common that construction is in English.

I bet you are bothered by this every day of your life Well, okay.

It shows that I don’t need a really exciting life and I’m worried about it Well first now, what do you think yeah, I’ll send you some brochures for national parks and you can have a good time And then we’ll talk about it.

Yeah.

Wow.

This is a good question I’m gonna throw a little bit language at you that you probably have never heard before have you ever heard of the weather it?

W-e-a-t-h-e-r-i-t the weather two words.

No, that’s what this is It’s called the weather it and we almost always use this kind of it with Either questions about the weather or statements about the weather.

Is it raining?

Is it wet outside?

Is it snowing?

Is it blustery?

And what is that it that it is known as a dummy pronoun and It works with verbs also known as weather verbs That don’t need a subject So does that also relate when I talk about walking into a room where the shades are pulled and the light is off and it?

Is dark.

Yes, it does Yeah, the weather term the weather it the weather verbs is more specifically related to verbs that have to do with the weather but in general we’re talking about these conditions where something is all pervasive or Apparently universal least as far as the the subject goes and we don’t need to specify that somebody is Doing or somebody is being done too.

So so that’s that’s the short of it Well, well, I had a question that I’ve held near and dear for a long time And I thank you for helping me with that.

Let it go.

Now.

What will you do with your life?

All right, thank you so much for you like me thanks, all right I’d love getting wonky Martha.

I hope that wasn’t too much.

That was that was pretty wonky But it I don’t know it does my heart good to know that there are linguists out there Sitting around talking about dummy pronouns and and the weather and the weather and getting very worked up about both of those I’m sure it’s time to give us a call one eight seven seven nine two nine nine six seven three And it’s also time to send us an email to words at waywordradio org.

Hi, you have A Way with Words Hi, this is Jen from Boston.

Well, hello, Jen.

This is granted Martha from New York City in San Diego What’s on your mind language wise you got a question for us?

I do I work in the medical practice and during a rare down moment One of our oral surgeons asked around the room if we knew the origin of the term I teeth And we didn’t and he proposed a possible Origin of the term, but I wanted to see what you thought my teeth e y e t e e th these are the Which ones are these Martha?

These are the longest ones the pointiest way the canines, correct?

Yep, the upper canine the upper canine.

Okay Okay, so he had a pet theory about this he did and so we frantically started googling because we’re competitive and We couldn’t come up with anything.

I did find one OED reference, but it didn’t agree quite with what he said Oh, really?

Well, so you’re you’re gonna hear what we have to say and then tell us what his theory is Is that what I’m gathering here?

That’s what I’d like.

Yeah Okay, well gosh as far as I know it’s it’s the one that’s that’s directly below the eye right extends up the root It ends up into the skull Yeah, the longest these the eye teeth have the longest roots that go way back up under the skull near the eye This is why they have the expression like pulling eye teeth They’re really hard to get out if they were trees their tap roots would be down way past the center of the earth And that is what the OED reference indicated, -huh.

But are you saying that this surgeon had some other theory?

Well, there was just a little more to it He said that because of the root going so close to the eye if your tooth gets infected It goes very rapidly up to your eye and causes it or it used to cause blindness.

Oh really?

That’s good to know I had no idea You said you said used to is is this not a concern anymore I’m not sure.

I guess, you know, we’ve got more advanced dental medicine I think I’m gonna take the doctor’s word for it Martha, don’t you?

Oh well about the about the physical Effects there, but I mean it’s it’s interesting that you also hear the expression to give one’s eye teeth It’s like you’re really valuable tooth.

Right?

Why is that?

Because these are the ones that can help you to meet I’d give my eye teeth to know Thank you so much for your call Jen.

Yeah.

Thank you guys.

Okay Take care.

Bye.

Bye We’d love to hear your questions about Language your questions about parts of the body as long as their language are related and anything else that occurs to usage grammar slang You name it?

The number to call is one eight seven seven nine two nine nine six seven three That’s one eight seven seven Wayword or you can email us the address is words at waywordradio dot o RG Next on A Way with Words.

It’s a word puzzle.

Stay tuned You’re listening to A Way with Words I’m grant Barrett and I’m Martha Barnetteand we’re joined once again by our quiz guide John Choneski.

Hello, John.

Hello grant Hello, Martha.

How are you guys super duper?

How you doing?

How the kids I’m doing.

Okay, the kids are fine Big max is starting preschool soon.

Oh, that’s great.

How old is he now?

Yeah, he’s four four Yeah, so so hey is max short for something.

Let’s be sure from Maxwell Maxwell Yeah, yeah middle name house or no middle name Joseph Joseph But Jesse’s middle name is very interesting.

Jesse’s middle name is Leo Yeah, she is named for her her mom’s grandfather grandfather’s Yeah, Jesse Leo very pretty and speaking of very pretty here’s a very pretty little quiz I came up with Nice segue.

Yeah Pretty segue.

Here’s a quiz that features that most basic form of wordplay is the rhyme Now I’ll give you a category and then I’ll give you three words.

Your job is to find rhymes for each of the three words That fit that category For example, if the category is numbers and the words are Sun brew and free here answers would be One two three one two three, right?

Again you just have to tell me the three things that fit the category that rhyme with those three words got it Okay, and what’s the name of this game?

Well, I call it rhyme groups because if I find another puzzle called rhyme time again, I’m just gonna blow my brains out Rhyme groups doesn’t rhyme.

It doesn’t it doesn’t have to don’t want it to Ready to go.

Here we go first categories units of time and the words are flower peak beckoned So our week a week and second now where we can second.

Yes.

Very good.

One, two three Here’s the next category US Postal Service street suffixes I’m afraid that’s the shortest way to categorize this when you hear the words, I think you’ll understand.

I’m going for sure thrive grace Ferris So drive.

Yes place and terrace and terrace.

Yes, very good Here’s the next one singers who use just one name dual sink spork Still sink spork so Bjork is the last one right and jewel is the first one right?

It’s the first yeah sink Right back.

No, sink sink pink pink is correct There’s a case where you could kind of just run through the letters and eventually Okay, next category is you know what?

I want to do this one different I’m just gonna give you the three words and see if you can guess the category.

That works.

Okay, cuz you’re doing so well Okay knocker menace thicket I Have I have it yeah, what do you got these are sports these are sports and they’re soccer tennis and cricket very nice Let’s try again with the next one.

Okay.

These are the three words motion cuddle fond Sounds naughty it does I went right to the lotion just this particular one just a little motion cuddle and fond right Oh Bodies of water.

Yes bodies of water.

So ocean puddle and pond.

Very good a sweep a sweep from grant.

Good job But let’s try this last one.

Here we go.

Just the words darling cloth gumbo Darling cloth gumbo.

Yeah, this one’s tough.

I’m gonna have to give you the What you think you have it are these Disney characters you’re close Cartoon characters cartoon animals.

Are they elephant?

I’m thinking gumbo is dumbo.

That’s my gumbo is dumbo or it could be jumbo It’s not it could be but it’s not it’s it’s definitely dumbo Oh dumbo Okay, but the more specific the category is things that fly.

Oh, so starling good the second word cloth Moth my dumbo and you got it.

Very good Wow Okay stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, that was a lice cob you guys well rank Lou There’s a word for a welcome All right.

Well, thanks John.

It was great fun as always and I know everyone homes going.

Yeah.

Yeah Yeah, bring me some more.

So you’ll have some more for us next week I’ll have some more for you next week super duper All right, and if you’d like to talk with us about funny words grammar slang punctuation Give us a call the numbers 1 8 7 7 9 2 9 9 6 7 3 the numbers 1 8 7 7 Wayword or send us an email to words@waywordradio.org.

Hello.

You have A Way with Words Hi, Martha.

Hi grant.

This is Pat in Richland, Michigan, which is near Kalamazoo.

Hi.

Yeah, Pat.

All right Thank you for taking my call.

Sure.

What’s up?

Well, I get regular emails from a website that’s called head butler and it gives recommendations mostly for books and music and that kind of thing and Recently, they had a review of Carla Bruni’s new CDs She’s the first lady of France.

Yeah, and the review said this She’s got a cashmere voice and a killer body plays decent guitar and writes her own lyrics Can hold her own with Queens and statesmen and then it says She must be stopped which is written with a period after each word and I’ve seen that before Using periods and capitalizing each word that way to emphasize the words and it seems to me such a perfect way To transcribe that tone people take when they’re making a thread or some dire Pronouncement or explaining something to a little child or a son or something and to me it conveys a lot more than Something like italics or all caps and I think it’s just a fantastic use of punctuation But I don’t remember seeing it until pretty recently and I found it hard to search for online I was thinking maybe read my lips might have been written down that way and I think that was from 1988 But I didn’t find any example of that So can you tell me does it go back farther than just a few years and can you trace who?

Invented it because that person’s a genius as far as I’m concerned Well, let’s talk about this a little bit most of the people that I know that have looked into this and believe me other people Have looked into this phenomenon trace it to a Simpsons episode from 1997 Yes That’s the short answer the long answer is in this particular episode which they named worst episode ever Comic-book guy if you remember he’s this overweight guy wearing a t-shirt that usually has some kind of pop culture reference Oh, yeah, and he’s a little bit super silliest and full of himself and thinks that he’s like the expert on all this pop culture That he consumes in this episode.

He says that he says worst episode ever in this particular Comic-book guy voice.

He says something like worst Episode ever like that Very well and that episode is an in joke made by the writers of the Simpsons to refer to their fans who online had gotten into the habit first of saying worst episode ever at about a variety of Simpsons episodes and then it became kind of an in joke for that group to Every time a new episode of the Simpsons came out to say worst episode ever and so they’re kind of got comic-book guy standing in For these fans, so they’re they’re kind of poking back at the fans Yeah after that episode then Pat what happened was the fans adopted it so much and there are a lot of Simpsons fans The show’s been on for what 16 years now that they started using that everywhere and it became worst Whatever ever you could put anything in the blank worst book ever worst show ever and they began to punctuate in such a way to indicate that kind of way that the comic-book guy says it and Sometimes in order to indicate how that last word is pronounced.

They say they spell it EVAR Great that really is sheer genius.

I think but But that particular writing style to use punctuation indicate that there’s something deliberate or force-filled being said has been traced back by the fans of the website language log to the 1950s at least so just to kind of Recap here the Simpsons are responsible probably most likely for the current wave of this because something can happen online that Before we all were typing for a living Let’s face it everybody in our day jobs at home.

We have computers the penetration of computers is great We all type a lot more We all use text a lot more than would have even 20 years ago and this kind of like little clever way to use language Wouldn’t have traveled as far in the 1950s So it kind of took some big pop culture thing like the Simpsons in order to make it happen.

Well, thank you I really appreciate that because I I love that youth and and it’s great to know once it came Thank you for your sharp eye Pat.

Not everyone, you know, sometimes this stuff slips by and not everyone catches it But well, it had slipped by me for several years.

It seems Thank you.

Very very much.

Welcome.

Thanks for calling.

Okay.

Thanks.

Bye.

Bye Grant Martha did I take too much?

I thought that was the best answer ever Oh you flatter me do I get an award?

How about a pay raise?

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Hello.

You have A Way with Words Hi, this is Keith d’Orsay calling from San Diego Hi, you Keith got a question for us today.

I do I do I’m hoping you can help me with a phrase that I grew up saying in, South, Louisiana In in the Cajun area whenever you hop in a car and drive to a place once you arrive at that place It’s not unusual for the driver to turn to everyone else in the car and say something like Am I the only one who’s going to get down or are we all getting down together or something like that?

I just sort of thought it was a normal way of describing the act of getting out of a vehicle until I got into college at LSU and Made friends with people from New Orleans who just laughed hysterically at me every time I would use the phrase so I’ve always wondered you know what it’s rooted in if it’s a phrase that people say in you know rural areas of you know in the rest of the country or If it’s something unique to you know, southern, Louisiana, or you know the Cajun area Maybe it’s you know an English translation of a French phrase So you’re saying the vehicle arrives the driver or somebody say I’m gonna get down now and they mean they’re getting out of the vehicle Right, exactly.

They don’t mean that there’s that there’s gunfire and they need to hide, right?

Or that Casey and the Sunshine Band have showed up Well, you have a very good instinct about the possibility of it having to do with French because in French you do basically descend from a vehicle Right, right the verb is and and you have something similar in Spanish you bahar you you go down from from the vehicle and It appears that in that part of the country.

It’s one of those calcs what we call a calc c-a-l-q-u-e Where it’s a direct translation from the French.

Do you also invite somebody to have a coffee rather than have coffee?

Absolutely, absolutely and in New Orleans actually people in New Orleans are Sort of famous for saying that they’re going to make groceries Talked about that before sure that’s a great one tons of this and French isn’t completely gone down there It still exists enough for at least among the older set that it can still have some influence on the English language, right?

Absolutely.

The funny thing is that we do see get down in various parts of the country from time to time And I think that in that sense of getting down from a vehicle people will say something like get down and stay a while I Also wondered if it was connected maybe to you know days when people traveled on horses Yes, and buggies where you actually had to step far down Unless you’re climbing out of a monster truck, you’re not really getting down these days, right exactly Yeah, exactly.

So so you do see that scattered in pockets around the country It’s really interesting.

But definitely I think there’s a French connection there in Cajun country heroin It’s great to finally get a Conclusive explanation and know that I’m not alone that I can safely travel around the country and not Feel like I’m the only one saying these sorts of things Keith.

Thank you so much for your call.

This was a great question We always love talking about dialects in the United States So we sometimes think that Americans all speak alike, but we don’t we do not there’s too many At all, thanks.

Thanks for the answer.

I really appreciate that’s you.

Thanks Well, if you’ve got a question about something they say down home we’d like to hear it give us a call 1-877-929-9673 That’s 1-877-929 Wayword or email us.

The address is words at waywordradio dot o RG Hello, you have A Way with Words.

Hey, this is Elaine calling from Indianapolis, Indiana What you up to?

So I have this question a teacher friend of mine used the phrase he’s the spitting image of his father and I thought that the phrase is supposed to be he’s the spit and Image of his father.

So I wonder if you could help to sort that out I’m thinking maybe spitting image may be a corruption and Maybe isn’t quite as complementary.

I’m not sure you would want to be called the spit and Image of your father, but I think that means more like, you know, you take after him and have his look and his ways -huh.

Yeah, that’s exactly right.

So just to clarify we’re talking about the phrase spitting image s p i t t i n g i m a g e spitting image and spit and image s p i t a and d I am a GE right?

That’s correct.

I’ve actually seen it written both ways.

Yep But Elaine, I think your hunch is right on because for years and years and years centuries people have used that as a metaphor As far back as 1825 you see the expression.

He’s the very spit of the very likeness and you also see In the 19th century the expression spit an image of something or spit and picture So so I you can see how spit and might become spittin Right or spitting there was a really interesting article written a few years ago by Larry Horne from Yale University Who had some interesting theories about this expression as well?

Suggesting that maybe it’s a participial adjective Spittin that is something that has been spat out -huh And I don’t know Grant.

I mean, it’s it’s a hypothesis.

I should say are you gonna force me to explain exactly what he was?

I’m pitching that softball right over the plane Let us just say Elaine that Larry’s theory was a little off the wall and a little risque But it’s the idea that when you say spit an image spi t t e n you’re referring to the fact that the father Somehow during the sex act passed along his looks and behavior to the child Yes, I know I’ve tried to handle that as delicately as I could Becoming more and more unfortunate for the child.

I think yes it is.

I know Larry He’s a colleague of mine and Larry has a very wry and dry sense of humor and I suspect that He meant this but he also meant the the comedy of it He hasn’t convinced me though Martha that it just doesn’t come from spit and image really Well, I hope what we have sufficiently muddied these waters away.

I Enjoyed it.

It was a lot of fun All right.

Thank you so much for your call.

Thanks Wow Martha you handle that so gracefully grant Oh did I I didn’t know that I had the grace in I think you did I mean Larry’s article is wonderfully witty – I really enjoyed reading it and I think he may be on to something I do I know you’re skeptical about that, but We’ll see we’ll see there’s I think there’s work left to be done and we may never know like most origins of words and expressions We may never know right further research is needed If you’ve got a linguistic question, or you want to know a word origin, we can’t promise We’ll always know the answer, but we’ll give it our best shot.

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I’m grant Barrett, and I’m Martha BarnetteIt’s time for another round of slang this our weekly slang challenge Grant today’s contestant from the National Puzzlers League is Dave Dickerson of New York City.

Hello Well, you may recognize Dave’s name from his occasional features on the show this American life.

He’s also a serious puzzler Dave what’s your specialty?

Variety cryptic crossword puzzles.

-huh.

What’s that?

The strange stuff you see in the back of Harper’s or the Atlantic monthly you used to show at Atlantic monthly Oh the CIA doesn’t put those there.

Yeah We thought those were secret messages to their operatives, you know, it’s a funny there was there was in the 90s There were about four or five venues you could write those things for and I was actually making a couple hundred dollars a month Doing that and then you know, they all collapsed within a month or two.

Do you think that you were a part of that collapse?

Yes in the sense that I don’t think the structure was able to hold that much greatness Well, let’s see how you do today a wise guy You Guys have really got me into the mood for a slang quiz So let me tell you how we play Dave Sure Grant’s gonna give you a sentence with a blank in it and then he’ll give you three slang words that might fill in that blank So your job will be to figure out which slang word fits best and I haven’t seen these before so I’ll be joining you And we’ll try to figure it out together.

Okay.

Sure.

Here’s the first part of the quiz.

We’ve got two questions today I’m gonna read a sentence you fill in the blank.

We’ll see how you do.

Okay, okay Of course, you have to tell her grow a pair for once you need to blank and just tell her you want to divorce is it a Surrender Dorothy and just tell her you want to divorce Is it be cowboy up and just tell her you want to divorce or is it see stir the fire?

And just tell her you want to divorce.

I Guess it depends on why you’re divorcing someone because I think surrender Dorothy would suggest a completely different reason Oh, right something about the rainbow flag, right?

But I’m gonna I’m gonna say cowboy up Because that would be someone because it sounds like the person in this scenario is having trouble with his courage Yes, and and and is I’m gonna be presumably male and therefore the cowboy thing is more is Relevant in that respect.

There we go.

Exactly man and do that to cowboy up means to act like John Wayne in one of the old Westerns, it’s a be tough self-reliant brave as you say courageous, right right grow a pair was the clue there, right?

Yeah Yeah, we were talking about a man.

Here we go.

Another one Thanks to a 24-hour blank.

The campaign was able to raise an incredible 10 million dollars and put the candidate back in the running Was it a 24-hour lemonade sale a 24-hour candy cane parade or a 24-hour money bomb?

Wow That is so cool.

A candy cane parade.

Yeah, it’s just like your childhood fantasy come real.

Oh my goodness that and teddy bears picnic I’m back to babes in toy land with Laurel Hardy.

Laurel and Hardy.

What was the I thought it was it was lemonade sale candy cane parade and a money bomb.

That’s right Now money bomb sounds like you’d be spending money rather than rather than getting it coming in I’m gonna guess lemonade sale where you’re squeezing out the last of anything you have to sell Taking lemons and making lemonade That would be my that that’s my suspicion.

So you two are in agreement on this.

Well Dave you’re ruling out the candy canes Well, I was trying to think a candy cane parade Well, what would that be a candy cane parade sounds like a dog-and-pony show right where you where you get people to show up No one pays for a parade The stripes remind me of flags or whatever so there might be a patriotic thing, but honestly Candy canes are seasonal.

They’re all made in China.

They’re not patriotic.

What are you talking about?

So really lemonades are the only thing I could think well, and of course, I’m at this point thinking of the McCain campaign and they you know I associate them more with lemons What they’re bringing it in a quarter He seems grumpy is all okay.

I think it’s a good guess.

I like lemonade sale – I’m going with Dave He seems to know what he’s talking about.

You’re both wrong.

Oh We’re so close but it was see not a the correct answer was money bomb Ron Paul’s campaign For example used a bunch of these they take an intense period say 24 hours long and they petition Everyone they know in all their databases and all their mailing lists and try to get them to donate money to raise a lot of Money for that period it’s kind of like a false sales event You know how they have these these celebrations spring sales event from Toyota on television or where they’re trying to sell these cars It’s not a holiday, but they’re trying to make it like it’s something The other two also terms no, they’re completely made up you made the vote candy canes parade is a stroke of That sounds like it deserves a niche in the in the slang I like the way that you were saying that it was a dog And pony show it could easily be another word for that right dog and pony shows a little out Did maybe this can be the dog and pony show of 2008?

That would be great.

Well, I gotta say Dave I had a really great fun.

This was a hoot.

This is a hoot.

Yay.

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This is grace from Highland, Wisconsin Hello grace.

How are you grace?

I’m real fine I’m hoping that you can help me with the words that my grandmother from Indiana used to use.

The word is don’t see How are you spelling that?

Well, I don’t really know.

I’ve never seen it in print I’m guessing it’s something like da you and see why but I’ve never seen it I’ve never heard anybody except my grandmother use it increase.

How would your grandmother use it?

She would use it to describe how she was feeling if she was not feeling Really good, but didn’t have a specific symptom under the weather may be a little queasy Poorly poorly.

Yeah Your spelling is probably the most common one in the United States da you and see why I first encountered this word in The dictionary of Smoky Mountain English love that publication.

It’s a great dictionary There are a couple other spellings do in SI e and that spelling do in SI e Kind of gives away the root of this it comes to American English from Scots English and the meaning that you give Is one of the meanings that is still used today and all over Appalachia and a few other parts of the country Here’s the best explanation of it that I’ve ever seen about 20 years ago Vic wheels who wrote for the Knoxville Journal described it this way he said When it is applied to the self and when it applies to another person the meanings are different I feel dauncy might mean I feel dizzy or slightly ill or nauseated But when put on somebody else dauncy can mean at least in some localities that the person is intoxicated addled silly Stupid or according to some interpretations quick-tempered and even saucy or pert.

Did you ever hear it that way grace?

No, no She only used it to apply to herself and the rest of the family We weren’t even sure that it was really a word.

We thought it might have been something she’d made up No, no, no, there’s still plenty as a matter of fact This word is common enough that it was used in the 19 I guess it was the 1950s.

Well in an I love Lucy episode the particularly well-known episode where she’s pregnant and in describing the way She feels of more from morning sickness.

Lucy says that she feels dauncy.

Oh, really?

So so it’s common enough to show up in popular television at least in that era and you’ll find it used here and again in Some fiction these days though.

I I suspect that most of the fiction writers just pulled it out of a dictionary It’s a great dialect word It still is in use in parts of the United States probably among the older generations But I wouldn’t be surprised if it continues to be used here and there for several generations to come It’s got a nice feel to it.

It’s got a wonderful sound to it.

I mean, it sounds like what it is.

Doesn’t it grace?

Yes, it does.

Well grace.

Thank you so much for your call today.

Thanks for bringing this word to the airways Well, thank you, and I really appreciate the information.

I love your show Bye-bye grace.

Thanks so much Well as you know Martha And I just love the heck out of old expressions and dialect things and stuff that your grandma used to say So pop us an email words at waywordradio org or give us a call 1 8 7 7 9 2 9 9 6 7 3 Hello, you have A Way with Words.

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My name is Jeff.

I’m calling from Hawaii I have a couple questions about acronyms initialisms and possibly even macronyms Okay I work in the joint military environment and I Meet a lot of people from the Army and the Marine Corps and Air Force and different services.

I’m I’m in the Navy So I’ve been exposed to a bunch of new acronyms.

I hadn’t really heard a lot and while we were having this discussion I stopped one of my friends and said I don’t know if that’s an acronym so much as a initialism And he hadn’t heard that So I wanted to ask first of all if maybe I’m being too academic about splitting up Acronyms and initialisms.

Oh No, I don’t think you can ever be too academic about splitting up acronyms and initialisms.

That’s great But then once we got into this discussion, I was asked Well, what about like radar and AWOL where they aren’t actually English words, but we use them as acronyms we’ve actually made a word up out of the Abbreviation.

Well, then let’s let’s clarify our terms just for a second There are two things to say here one is the lexicographers and the linguists tend to be very specific about the meaning of acronym and the Meaning of initialism whereas the general public doesn’t and sometimes this is where differences of opinion arrive It sounds like you’re falling on the linguist and lexicographer camp, right?

I’ve been listening to you guys too much.

So I believe oh, yeah We’re like a bad disease.

We’re everyone catches us so initialisms are Something like CBS or IBM where it can’t be pronounced as a word, right?

You say the names of the letters in order to say the thing right, but Acronyms are things like NASA where the letters can be pronounced as a word, right, right?

So and then so then you’re agreeing with me that radar is actually an acronym Here’s the key.

Here’s the trick.

Here’s the trick Martha will agree with me as I know she will they’re both initial isms But only the ones that can be pronounced as words are acronyms -huh initial isms are the umbrella category and acronyms are a subset of initial isms, right?

And then again am I being too flip to use macronym?

Is that not academic enough?

Well, macronym is not an established term in linguistics or in lexicography and we should define that too Martha That’s a acronym made of other acronyms, right?

Right, and I have an example actually a synthetic aperture radar where the Initialism I guess radar is inside of the acronym And what is the acronym?

So what is the macronym then?

SAR sorry, sorry gotcha.

Yeah, that’s great.

That’s a good example.

Well, thank you very much You’ve been very helpful and I think decisive and in my question, okay, glad to hear it Thank you so much for your call Jeff.

Thanks.

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Yes This is Lillian Chanel and we’re from Park Falls, Wisconsin Hi, Lillian.

Hi My question is these aren’t words that are in our dictionary and yet they’re used so much today in it is really Getting to be nerve-wracking to listen to people speak They’ll say something and then they’ll go.

Oh, And another one is oh, you know, and then they’re telling you something.

No, I don’t know.

I’m listening No what you’re talking about and then they always say yeah, but and these are just words that just irritate me When we have to sit and listen to somebody on TV or radio speak and they use these plus your everyday people Right.

So you’re talking about they’re filling all the little holes in their language or things like You know like I mean, I just or But yeah, but yeah They repeat themselves and interrupt themselves and we say things over and over right, right Lillian I have a technique that I use that you might find useful It’s a way of kind of diverting your attention Away from the fact that you’re annoyed about these things and to maybe appreciating that they sometimes take on roles Sometimes and and those words actually have meaning In general, they’re called Disfluencies, it’s di s fl u e n c i e s and it just means it’s kind of you know The opposite of fluent, you know, they’re they’re not speaking very clearly, right, right One study estimated this is how often they occur that they occurred six times per 100 words and that’s six percent of the words that people say might be a disfluency an or an or whatever and and And they happen of course because people aren’t sure what they’re going to say and maybe a question has been asked that they’re not ready To answer but they can have a real function.

Listen to this Sometimes even professional storytellers.

These are people who go around the circuits and maybe we’ll do it for radio or they’ll do it at a Theater or they’ll do it at fairs.

They’ll tell stories for a living a story that they’ve told a thousand times if they insert Or or whatever at the very beginning people pay more attention By using these particular kind of devices to interrupt the flow of your speech You call people’s attention to what you’re about to say and research has shown That you are more likely to understand what comes after an or an Then if I leave it out if I say the same sentence to you and leave out the or the You might get it less.

You’ll understand less of it.

What do you think about that?

So what I’m suggesting and just might help you a little bit not be quite so annoyed about it Just think that every time they say and pay attention to what happens after and you might find That’s the most important thing that they have to say you might Lillian I’ve been paying attention to you and I haven’t heard an or an Got the bar pretty high there.

I did hear some from you grant.

Yes.

Just a second ago.

Yep.

They happen Yeah, well, yes it is But you know what brought me this more to my attention was my one grandson would always say every time his mother would say Something to him.

Yeah, but and she was so angry with him for doing that all the time So I would charge him a quarter every time he said it and I’d be darned if I didn’t say it my old he owed You know it was vice-versa, but when he went home after two weeks up here with us.

My daughter says he doesn’t say it anymore Well, there you go there you hit on something Once people’s attention is brought to the fact that they have these verbal ticks and they’re made to be aware that they’re habitual I mean, they’re like tobacco or actually they’re more like a disease.

They’re catching a friend of mine He uses the word dude all the time.

It seems like he starts every other sentence with the word, dude He’s like, dude, we’ve got to go do this or dude.

We’ve got to go do that And when I hang around him, I go home with a bad case of dude I have to work really hard to shake it and arms and ers and us and you knows and I mean that I like and I Just and all those they’re catching they’re like they’re like the flu or the common cold But if you pay attention to them, you can cut them out of your speech The best tactic to take is to replace them with a pause because if you because the thing is if you’re saying If you’re saying you’re probably doing that because you need just a second to collect your thoughts So just take that second, but fill it with silence.

Don’t fill it with some utterance.

That’s more or less meaningless Lillian I’m glad we don’t have the quarter thing going on Because I think I’d be out several quarters Well, it’s very nice to hear hear from both of you and it’s a pleasure to talk with you Nice watch my language from here on out Lillian.

Thank you very much.

All right.

Bye.

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