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Stars and Garters
Grant Barrett
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2016/11/14 - 10:07am

Novelist Charles Dickens created many unforgettable characters, but he's also responsible for coining or popularizing lots of words, like "flummox" and "butterfingers." Also, the life's work of slang lexicographer Jonathon Green is now available to anyone online. And, the art of accepting apologies. If a co-worker is habitually late but apologizes each time, what words can you use to accept their latest apology but also communicate that you never want it to happen again?

This episode first aired November 12, 2016.

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[Image Can Not Be Found] Dickens's Words
What do the terms flummox, butterfingers, and the creeps have in common? They were all either invented or popularized by Charles Dickens. The earliest citations we have for many familiar words and phrases are from the work of the popular 19th-century novelist. You can find more in What the Dickens: Distinctly Dickensian Words and How to Use Them by Brian Kozlowski.

[Image Can Not Be Found] The Common Name "Jones"
A San Diego, California, 12-year-old whose last name is Jones wonders: Why do so many African-Americans as well as European Americans share the same last name?

[Image Can Not Be Found] Oh My Stars and Garters
The exclamation "Oh my stars and garters!" likely arose from a reference to the British Order of the Garter. The award for this highest level of knighthood includes an elaborate medal in the shape of a star. The expression was probably reinforced by "Bless my stars!", a phrase stemming from the idea that the stars influence one's well-being.

[Image Can Not Be Found] Hard Fight With a Short Stick
If you're having a particularly tough time, you might say that you're "having a hard fight with a short stick." The idea is that if you're defending yourself with a short stick, you'd be at a disadvantage against an opponent with a longer one.

[Image Can Not Be Found] Stay A While, Beautiful Moment
A man in Chalk Mountain, Texas, recalls a sublime evening of conversation with a new German friend. As they parted, the woman uttered a German phrase suggesting that she wanted the moment to last forever. It's "Verweile doch! Du bist so schön!" and it comes from Johann Wolfgang von Goethe's tragic play Faust.

[Image Can Not Be Found] Country Puzzle
Quiz Guy John Chaneski's game involves clues about the names of countries. For example, a cylindrical container, plus an abbreviation on the back of a tube of toothpaste, combine to form the name of what neighbor to the north?

[Image Can Not Be Found] Factory vs. Plant
Why is a factory called a plant?

[Image Can Not Be Found] Flat Tire Shoe
A flat tire is a slang term for the result of stepping on someone's heel so that their shoe comes loose.

[Image Can Not Be Found] Jackpot Origin
The word jackpot can denote the pile of money you win at a game of poker, but another definition is that of trouble, tangled mess, or a literal logjam.

[Image Can Not Be Found] Pastry Docker Holes
What do you call the holes in a Pop-Tart? Those indentations in crackers, Pop-Tarts, and similar baked goods are called docker holes or docking holes, used to release air as the dough gets hotter.

[Image Can Not Be Found] Cabbaging
The phrase "don't cabbage that," meaning "don't steal that," may derive from the old practice of tailors' employees taking scraps of leftover fabric, which, gathered up in one's hands, could resemble a pile of cabbage leaves.

[Image Can Not Be Found] Dustbin and Dickens
The first known citation for the word dustbin is credited to Charles Dickens.

[Image Can Not Be Found] Green's Dictionary of Slang
Language enthusiasts, rejoice! Jonathon Green's extraordinary Green's Dictionary of Slang is now available online.

[Image Can Not Be Found] Responding to Repeated Apologies for the Same Bad Behavior
What's the most effective way to respond to someone who keeps apologizing for the same offense? Say, for example, that a co-worker is habitually late to work, and is forever apologizing for it, but does nothing to change that behavior? How do you accept their apology for their latest offense, but communicate that you don't want it to happen again?

[Image Can Not Be Found] Different From vs. Different To
When comparing two things, what's the correct word to use after the word different? Is it different than or different from? In the United States, different from is typical, and almost always the right choice. In Britain, the most common phrase is different to.

[Image Can Not Be Found] Spider in Your Biscuit
If a Southerner warns she's going to put a spider on your biscuit, it means she's about to give you bad news.

[Image Can Not Be Found] Mmm-Bye
A listener in Omaha, Nebraska, says his mother always ends a phone conversation not with Goodbye, but mmm-bye. How common is that?

This episode is hosted by Martha Barnette and Grant Barrett, and produced by Stefanie Levine.

Scanned image by Philip V. Allingham.

Books Mentioned in the Broadcast

Faust
Green's Dictionary of Slang
What the Dickens: Distinctly Dickensian Words and How to Use Them

Music Used in the Broadcast

Title Artist Album Label
Kool And The Gang Kool And The Gang Kool And The Gang De-Lite
Machine Gun The Commodores Machine Gun Motown
Southwick Maceo and All The King's Men Doing Their Own Thing House Of The Fox
Breeze And Soul Kool And The Gang Kool And The Gang De-Lite
Give It Up Kool And The Gang Kool And The Gang De-Lite
Let The Music Take Your Mind Kool And The Gang Kool And The Gang De-Lite
Mag Poo Maceo and All The King's Men Doing Their Own Thing House Of The Fox
Give it Up Kool And The Gang Kool And The Gang De-Lite
Volcano Vapes Sure Fire Soul Ensemble Out On The Coast Colemine Records
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2016/11/15 - 3:54am

For the  "repeated apology"   person, you should press them to commit to  "never happen again."   That is a totally reasonable request, and therefore does not make you sound ungenerous, unforgiving, or 'no fun,'  which is the main advantage that that person has over you.   And once committed, they risk the ambarassment of becoming a liar,  which you can press on them again and again if need be.

In general, apologies magnify the status of the apologist, make them look 'good,'   so they play that game for that purpose.  It happens all the times, as when recently  I saw  a male news anchor make a sexist joke on his female colleague, and immediately turn around and say   'you know I was joking!'  with a stupid alecki smirk on his face.   He showed himself to be a 'fun' person, a politically conscious person, and an ennobled appologist to boost.  All that at the expense of his female colleague who, what can she do? could only manage a meek smile for the moment. 

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