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Usage of 'but': are these forms obsolete?
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2015/03/06 - 9:21pm

Hello!

I haven't seen that much of 'but' being used (in newspapers, magazines, etc) in the ways I quote below. I wonder: are these obsolete or would you still hear/read people using 'but' in these situations? (all examples are from Oxford Dictionary).

1) but = only: I don't think we'll manage it. Still, we can but try. There were a lot of famous people there: Lady Gaga and Hugh Jackman, to name but two.

2) but = except; apart from: We've had nothing but trouble with this car. The problem is anything but easy. Who but Rosa could think of something like that? Everyone was there but him.

3) but = without the (additional) circumstance that: There is no hope but through prayer (= There is no hope other than the hope of prayer) (this one is not clear to me).

It never rains but it pours (= It never rains without also pouring). No leaders ever existed but they were optimists (= No leaders existed who were not optimists; All leaders who ever existed were optimists).

4) but = that (used esp. after words like doubt, deny, etc., with a negative word like not): I don't doubt but you'll do it.

5) with the exception of: No one replied but me. Everyone but John was there.

Thank you!

Best,

Alla

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2015/03/06 - 10:10pm

Number 5 is the only one I hear and use commonly. Number 2 would not sound strange to me but I don't hear it very often. I would expect to read the rest only in literature and never hear them.  However, I am reluctant to declare that they are obsolete.

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2015/03/06 - 10:31pm

Hello, Dick.

Thank you for your answer. 

deaconB
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2015/03/07 - 6:44am

None of those examples sound the least bit "off" to me. 

Nut I have to say, it seems like most people use but to start off a sentence, and that's really bad, logically; If you're goint to conjoin two thoughts, it should be one sentence.  Starting off with a conjunctive makes the second 'sentence" a sentence fragment instead of a sentence.

And don't you hatte it when someone does that?  It's an insult, really, that you matter so little, they don't bother to form legitimate sentences sentences.

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2015/03/08 - 12:55pm
Alla said 
... from Oxford Dictionary ...
It never rains but it pours
No leaders ever existed but they were optimist

Those 2 strike no bells for me at all, Oxford or no.  The 2nd one would've made much more sense like this:  No leaders ever existed but as optimists.

All the others above are quite common and current usages.

deaconB
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2015/03/08 - 2:10pm

It never rains but it pours was a fairly common plaint about the weather yerars ago, but when Morton added an anti-cqaking additive to table salt, and put a drawing of a little girl in frock carrying an umbrella, and using that line as its trademark, it kinda ruint the original.  Originally, it meant "we NEVER get a nice soft rain, we always get torrents - or no rain at all" but now it means "Morton salt doesn't cake in rainy weather."  I suppose that would be OK, except I've3 seen a lot of glass salt shakers with an oyster cracker to absorb the humidity (they put a saltine in the sugar) in small-town mom-ande-pop restaurants.  Never uin "just like uptown" restaurants, and much less since air conditioning has become routinie, but then, t'ain't many mom-and-pop joints any more.

katexic
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2015/03/23 - 1:50pm

I remember it well. The Morton salt slogan was (is?) simply "when it rains it pours." The older proverb was probably too negative (and long) for their purposes...

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