Points on a Compass, the Saga Continues (minicast)

Remember Tom, the guy who’s still trying to recall a word he insists he learned long ago meaning “the points on a compass”? That call generated a boatload of proposed answers from listeners. But one response stood out above all the others, so Martha and Grant go back to Tom for a third time with what they hope is the right answer.

Transcript of “Points on a Compass, the Saga Continues (minicast)”

Welcome to another podcast edition of A Way with Words. I’m Grant Barrett.

My lovely co-host Martha Barnette is off settling the debate over the pronunciation of F-O-R-T-E, meaning “point of strength.”

She’s decided that everyone who says “forte” will live west of the Mississippi, and everyone who says “fork” will live east of the Mississippi.

Too bad, she says, if you say “both” and end up straddling the river.

One of the most popular phone calls we’ve ever taken was from Tom in Mount Vernon, Indiana.

Early this year, he called to ask about a word he’d forgotten, a nautical term related to the major points of the compass.

He couldn’t for the life of him remember it, but swore he knew it decades before.

We suggested a lot of things, ERT, Pyxis Nautica, RUM, and Cardinal Points, and Tom said no dice to all of them.

A bunch of you called and wrote to suggest other terms, Azimuth, Binacle, Boxing the Compass, Compass Rose, Cross Point, Digogram, Flinders Bar, Gimbals, Inclinometer, Pelorus, Principle Points, Rows of Winds, and Zodiac Points.

So we called Tom a second time and tried those suggestions on for size.

Tom said, “No way, Jose,” and the emails and the calls kept coming, most of them suggesting words we’d already tried and a few suggesting that maybe Tom was pulling our legs.

But there was one letter, from Michael McGuckin in Phoenix, that made us perk up.

It contained a word that we hadn’t tried, so we called Tom one last time to try it on him.

Is this Tom?

Yes, this is Tom in Mount Vernon, Indiana.

Well, hiya, Tom!

It’s Martha and Grant, calling to both of you.

Tom, I want to tell you about an email we got that we’re excited about.

The fellow by the name of Michael, from Phoenix, sent us about 800 words, more than 800 words about the word that he thinks that you’re looking for.

I’m going to summarize his email because it’s beautifully written, but it’s an architectural word, and he thinks that it is similar to boxing the compass, so to speak.

It comes from ancient Greeks and earlier, it’s found in, he says, virtually every case it’s orientated to the points of the compass.

And what it is, is a circle of columns surrounding a building or court or open space.

So a circle of columns surrounding a building or court or open space.

It’s called a peristyle.

That seems very, very close, and I recognize the word, and I recognize the application of it for architectural.

And somehow or another, I think that it’s got to be a basis for what I was thinking of, but it isn’t exactly what I was thinking of.

Are you sure?

You said, I mean, if I’m remembering that first call, you said it began with a P, right?

I thought it began with a P, and I thought that it probably had to do something with peri.

That P being peri.

Do you live near a train track?

Yes, I’m sitting out on a front porch on a beautiful evening here, but there’s a train track about three blocks away, so he was crossing with a glass of iced tea and your feet up, right?

And Tom, are you facing north, south, east, or west on that porch?

I am facing northwest, but you’re not sure about peristyle.

It’s northwest on the peristyle, it has to be.

That is the closest that I think that anyone could come to do it.

It didn’t click.

It didn’t click?

I was ready to give this man the prize, I mean, we don’t have one, but I’ll walk over and shake his hand to say hello.

We will meet in Phoenix.

I think we are honing in on it somehow.

Honing in, Tom?

What about peristyle-ish?

Well, of course, that’s a slightly different version of peristyle.

Peristyle-ized?

I wouldn’t say in any of those.

Paris in the springtime?

I’d like to go check that out, first of all.

I am still amazed that this has generated so much interest.

Oh, now people like a puzzle.

You know people like a puzzle.

There’s nothing people like more than something they’re told they can’t figure out.

I mean, there are probably people that stay up nights with this, got the family around the table and the Scrabble tiles out, rearranging them, trying to figure out what the word was.

Thanks for giving us another try.

And I thank you for keeping me in the loop and letting me know what you’ve come up with.

My heart started beating.

You start setting parries, something, and I go, they’re getting it, they’re getting it.

And I’m going, well, I don’t, it’s not quite.

It’s like love you’ve just described there, but not quite like it.

Tom, thank you so much, and you please have a good evening tonight.

Take it easy.

Sounds like you had a long day.

Yes, I did, and I’ll take it easy now.

All right.

Good night.

All right.

Good night.

Bye-bye.

You’ll be happy to know that Tom’s jersey will go on the wall of our Koller Hall of Fame, right next to the porcelain plaque from the lady who was putting together a coffee table book about toilets.

I love this job.

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  • A better question would have asked for the name of the points on a mariner’s compass as the bow compass also has a point. All of the 32 point of a magnetic compass have a specific or individual name:N, N by E, NNE, NE by N, NE, NE by E, ENE, E by N, E, E by S, ESE, SE by E, SE, SE by S, SSE, S by E, S, S by W, SSW, SW by S, SW, SW by W, WSW, W by S, W, W by N, WNW, NW by N, NW, NW by N, NNW, N by W. Naming the points in order is called boxing the compass. This recitation was required of seaman many years ago and Boy Scouts almost 70 years ago when I was a boy.

    During a lecture at the 21st International Congress of Vexillology in Buenos Aires two years ago, there was a discussion on the reason there are 32 rays on the sun on the Argentine flag. My theory is that they
    were derived from the 32 points on a magnetic compass.
    When the European navigators sailed the world in the 16th century they relyed on only two instruments: the magnetic comapass and the astrolab.

    From the OED CD:
    The mariner’s compass consists essentially of three parts, the bowl or box (n.2, sense 15), containing the card (n.2, sense 4) on which the 32 points of the compass are marked (see point), and the needle. According to its position or use on ship-board it is distinguished as binnacle-, hanging-, standard, steering-compass, etc. to box the compass: see box v.1 12; Also in the same sense to say the (or one’s) compass.
    c. Astron., etc. Applied with qualifying adjs. to special points of the celestial sphere, etc.: see cardinal, equinoctial, solstitial, vertical.
    cardinal points = Fr. points cardinaux; but the 32 points of the compass (sense B. 9) = Fr. pointes de la boussole, ou du compas.

    III. 9. Each of the equidistant points on the circumference of the mariner’s compass, indicated by one of the thirty-two rays drawn from the centre, which serve to particularize the part of the horizon whence the wind is blowing or in the direction of which an object lies; also transf. the angular interval between two successive points (one-eighth of a right angle, or 11° 15´). Hence, any of the corresponding points, or in general any point, of the horizon; thus often nearly = Direction. (In ordinary use, usually point of the compass; in absol. use chiefly Naut.)

  • I’d bet a Way With Words t-shirt or one of your books that Tom’s word is “pelagic”. Compasses used on the water are commonly referred to as pelagic compasses to identify them as meant for boats or divers. Google up ‘pelagic compass’ and you’ll come up with lots of catalogs selling ‘pelagic compasses’. I own a forty year-old sailboat that was billed as being delivered with a genuine ‘pelagic compass’.
    Please call Tom with this one and I’ll bet he lights up.
    Love the show.
    Jerry

  • Well, Jerry, he said “pelagic” wasn’t it. We tried it on him when you suggested it in April, though I’m not sure that part of the interview made it on the air.

  • I just listened (quietly, at work)to the “peristyle” podcast, and it led me to some web surfing. Tom felt that this was close, but not quite right. One item I found in my surfing was the Merriam Websters online definition of the word. This, in turn, gave the Greek root as “peristylon.” Now, this is clearly close. Is it close enough???

  • Here are some of the words we have tried on Tom:

    airt
    azimuth
    binnacle
    boxing the compass
    cardinal points
    compass rose
    cross-point
    dygogram
    Flinders bar
    gimbals
    inclinnometer
    pelagic
    pelorus
    peristyle
    principal points
    pyxis nautica
    rhumb
    rose of winds
    wind-rose
    zodiac points

  • Points on a compass was known as “Boxing the Compass”. All who took the helm were required to know them. See classic sailing book by Chapman which shows an olde compass with the tiny divisions named.
    Typically they are black & white stars seen on old, large binnacles.
    “Two points off the starboard bow captain”

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