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2010/05/01 - 5:38pm

I notice that Grant, like my wife, pronounces the "t" in "often." Bryan Garner draws a distinction, but I chalk it up to personal preference. Discuss in 500 words or fewer.

Thanks, S

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2010/05/02 - 3:18am

Just to be perverse, I say "ofFen" but "sofTen".

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2010/05/02 - 9:28am

Complaints about my pronunciation of "often" come in a dozen a week. They are tiresome. As I wrote last year in the Malaysia Star, there's nothing wrong with my pronunciation of "often." The article:

Because I do a radio show in the United States about language, my pronunciation of English is often under scrutiny.

Listeners expect that I will pronounce every word in the most traditional, most formal, most conservative way. Of course, I don't. That means I receive lots of e-mail and phone calls reprimanding me for setting a bad example.

This criticism, is, in my opinion, a big load of hooey (rubbish, nonsense). Judge not unless ye be hired to do the judging (which I am!).

It's one of those situations in which I am quite certain that each one of my correspondents pronounces some part of the language in a way that is considered something other than highly formal or traditional. I can know this with certainty because we all do. All of us!

The number one complaint about my pronunciation is the word “often.” I pronounce the T, so it does not sound like “offen.”

While I readily admit that “offen” is the most common pronunciation “ofTen” with a pronounced T isn't wrong, it's just less common. Any claims that it's more correct or more sophisticated are unsupportable and insufferable.

Both pronunciations have existed in English as long as there are records of the pronunciation of the word. There was a time, however, when certain consonant clusters, such as “ft” started to be less pronounced. This was before there was such a thing as American English.

So, the T-ful pronunciation — ofTen — is older than the T-less pronunciation — offen. That doesn't make it right, it's just a fact.

Now, some historical linguists have suggested that the T-ful often pronunciation had a resurgence after more people became literate. They could see the T in the word so they pronounced it, assuming that the T-less offen pronunciation was something to be corrected. This sort of thing happens in Eng ­ ­lish all the time, but usually on a one-on-one or personal level, not as a widespread trend.

To me, the facts are stronger behind the idea that the T-full often pronunciation simply just kept persisting among certain groups who migrated to the New World and brought the pronunciation with them. (The ofTen pronunciation does still exist in places in Britain, too).

Now, as to my particular case, I claim heritage as to the reason why I pronounce it as ofTen. As far back as the 1920s you can find language researchers reporting, and I quote, that “the Ozarker nearly always pronounces the T in ofTen.” My father's family is from the Eastern Ozarks Mountain region (which is in Missouri and Arkansas in the centre of the United States). He talks a bit of hillbilly (meaning, he talks like a rustic or a rural person) and I have a feature of such language here and there in my own speech.

So, you can call it unsophisticated, but I call it roots and blood.

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2010/05/03 - 5:44am

You go, Grant. Only one thing surprises me: I would have guessed that the t-ful pronunciation, as you put it, is the MORE common now. By the way, I am a t-less pronouncer, but I see no reason why this word can't be among the thousands of words with multiple pronunciations.

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2010/05/03 - 8:32am

Glenn said:

You go, Grant. Only one thing surprises me: I would have guessed that the t-ful pronunciation, as you put it, is the MORE common now. By the way, I am a t-less pronouncer, but I see no reason why this word can't be among the thousands of words with multiple pronunciations.


Perhaps, but when I hear the "T" in often, I think of the times that I have heard the "B" in subtle. Sorry, can't help it.

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2010/05/03 - 12:02pm

And yet, the related oft, from which often comes and for which often is a synonym, has the t clearly pronounced. I think the mere existence of oft works to counter our valiant movement to suppress the seditous sounding of the t.

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2010/05/03 - 12:42pm

My pronounciation, "offen", totally confused me when I read one of Lewis Carroll's puzzles:

Dreaming of apples on a wall,
And dreaming often dear,
I dreamt that if I counted all,
How many would appear?

It would have been much easier if I read "ofTen"...

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2010/05/03 - 12:50pm

Glenn said:

And yet, the related oft, from which often comes and for which often is a synonym, has the t clearly pronounced. I think the mere existence of oft works to counter our valiant movement to suppress the seditous sounding of the t.


And then there's sub as in below the surface or less than. Kind of like below or less than obvious — as in "subtle."

Ta da!

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2010/05/03 - 1:10pm

I use both pronunciations of often. What does that say?

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2010/05/03 - 1:11pm

torpeau said:

And then there's sub as in below the surface or less than. Kind of like below or less than obvious — as in "subtle."

Ta da!


Wait. Doesn't sub mean a sandwich?

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