Home » Discussion Forum—A Way with Words, a fun radio show and podcast about language

Discussion Forum—A Way with Words, a fun radio show and podcast about language

A Way with Words, a radio show and podcast about language and linguistics.

Discussion Forum (Archived)

Please consider registering
Guest
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Min search length: 3 characters / Max search length: 84 characters
The forums are currently locked and only available for read only access
sp_TopicIcon
Judy, selected to participate in the honors program, must / The three-year-old boy, locked in the car for five hours under the sun, died / The biggest diamond in the world...
Guest
1
2016/05/30 - 5:17am

Hi everyone –

I am now learning English as a second language. I have some questions, and I hope someone could answer them for me.

 

1.

Judy, selected to participate in the honors program, must have made all A+ in this semester.

Is this sentence correct? If not, how should I revise it? What does "the honors program" mean?

 

2.

a. The three-year-old boy, locked in the car for five hours under the sun, died without being noticed.

b. The three-year-old boy locked in the car for five hours under the sun died without being noticed.

Are they correct? If not, how should I revise them? Do you say "under the sun" in English? Why not "IN the sun"? Between the two sentences, which is better? Why?

 

3.

a. The biggest diamond in the world, having been kept in a safe for centuries, was stolen last week.

b. The biggest diamond in the world having been kept in a safe for centuries was stolen last week.

Are they correct? If not, how should I revise them? What's the difference between them? Can I say "ON the world" instead?

 

Thanks!

Guest
2
2016/05/30 - 12:33pm

I've got a few minutes, so I'll tackle #1.

Judy, selected to participate in the honors program, must have made all A+ in this semester.

First, an "honors program" recognizes students with high grade point averages, usually higher than 3.0 (which would equate to all grades of B). There are some variations between schools and levels, but the basic idea is to recognize their achievement ... a special pin, a certificate, special privileges, special courses, etc.

Regarding sentence #1, first I have to say it's logically inconsistent. Judy could be in the honors program without having all grades of A. But I'll ignore that and just comment on the sentence structure. Here's how I would rewrite it:

Judy, selected to participate in the honors program, must have made all A+'s this semester.

When you form a plural from a letter/symbol/number (A+) it is done using an apostrophe. And you need to have a plural there because all implies multiple cases.

Notice I also dropped the in before this semester. Technically, you could leave it there and the sentence would still be correct. But it's really superfluous since the words this semester are what's called an adverbial phrase ... it modifies the verb made by specifying when the made happened. For time periods (hour, day, month, year, decade, quarter, semester) the in is implied. For example: It rained seven times this month.

Curiously, in phrases like:

... in this country.
... in this book.
... in this club
... in this forum

you need the in to be correct. But for some reason English makes an exception for time periods. I have no idea why.

Guest
3
2016/06/11 - 4:49am

under the sun, died without being noticed

sounds like poetry.  But the  full statement sounds so odd.  It seems to explain that lack of attention was part of the cause of death.  But isn't that obvious enough without being said out loud ?

You can use either "in the sun" or "under the sun."   The commas are needed for clarity ,  though in general there are no rules for that, just common sense.

Statement  3-a  is good.  You need the commas.  You have to use "in the world" in this case- no choice.

But you should use "largest diamond."  It's more formal.  "Biggest" is colloquial, and  bombastic sounding, and quite crude in this case.

 

Forum Timezone: UTC -7
Show Stats
Administrators:
Martha Barnette
Grant Barrett
Moderators:
Grant Barrett
Top Posters:
Newest Members:
A Conversation with Dr Astein Osei
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 1
Topics: 3647
Posts: 18912

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 618
Members: 1268
Moderators: 1
Admins: 2
Most Users Ever Online: 1147
Currently Online:
Guest(s) 135
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)