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Index v. Indice Minicast
John Dalbec
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2008/07/28 - 7:11pm

I often hear a similar mistake - "vertice" for "vertex". I think you do give too much credit by hypothesizing a borrowing from French. They're just treating "indices" or "vertices" as an English plural and back-forming a singular. By the way, the pronunciation of "indice" in French is closer to "ann-deese" than "on-deese".

ken
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2008/07/29 - 12:17pm

I'm the caller who asked the question. I agree with you, John. I wonder if people also do this with "matrix"/"matrice."

Martha Barnette
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2008/07/30 - 2:37pm

Well, Ken, I just want you to know that I thought of you yesterday when I was giving a talk in front of a large group of attorneys. At one point, I alluded to the obitofrontal cortex of the brain, then heard myself blurt, "In people whose orbitofrontal cortices have been damaged -- oops, is it cortexes or cortices?" and then stumbled a bit, realizing I didn't know. So thanks a lot, Ken! 🙂

Looks like it can be either one. And John, I agree it's quite possible that it's just a natural formation by analogy.

ken
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2008/08/01 - 1:39pm

...and the singular is then "cortice."

Great story, Martha. I'd be stumbling on "orbitofrontal."

Martha Barnette
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2008/08/02 - 7:42am

I'd be stumbling on “orbitofrontal.”

Believe me, I did! 🙂 So of course I got completely tangled up with "orbitofrontal cortices"! 🙂

Grant Barrett
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2008/08/05 - 7:25am

I mean to post this before: a long look at redices and indices, which is a bit far afield of our topic but still interesting.

Heather
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2008/08/06 - 4:19pm

Yes, I actually had a teacher in high school who would ALWAYS refer to several matrices, or one matrice! Pronounced similarly to "indice" that the caller referred to.

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