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Gay Marriage Debate Comes Down to Semantics
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2008/05/24 - 9:34pm

I was unaware until I read this article in the Christian Science Monitor, Ending the Gay Marriage War; but, apparently the much publicized California Supreme Court's Decision came down to an issue of word choice.

Because same-sex couples are already entitled to the same rights and privileges under California law as male-female unions, the Senior Justice emphasized that the issue on the table was merely word choice. He likened denying same-sex couples the use of “marriage” on their official license would be much like requiring hetero couples to get “remarriage licenses” for any union after their first. (Like a rock that would go over, I imagine)

Clever solution to a complicated problem… He gives the legislature the option of coming up with an entirely new word for all licenses describing the civil (and not expressly religious) union of all couples in the state. “Marriage Union” is being proffered.

I was wondering if other cultures differentiate the civil/religious union semantically… I know in France, one is required to undergo a civil ceremony in place of/in addition to a religious one, but am not certain if there are different terms to describe these different “states of a union” particularly outside Judeo-Christian culture.

I know this is a sensitive issue, so in the interest of keeping the conversation productive, I would like to suggest we discuss the semantic question and try to avoid any emotionally charged soap boxing on either side.

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2008/12/02 - 9:43pm

YES! Please explain the origins of the word "marriage", as people here in the west in the middle of the "gay marriage debate" have stated that "marriage" is a religious term that cannot be used by non-religious marriages! I have a suspicion they are wrong, and that marriage is in fact a civil term and that religious marriages should get a different term.

Some opponents of gay marriage claim that they are in fact in support of completely equal forms of "unions" for gay and straight people, but that the word "marriage" is somehow already taken by religion. It just doesn't seem like "marriage" was found in the bible. Am I wrong?

From what I've found, the word "marriage" is a latin term meaning "to give a husband to", which brings up a whole 'nother set of questions!

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2008/12/03 - 8:07pm

I suspect that the word marriage picked up its religious connotations during a time and place (Middle Ages, Europe) when religion was the state, and most marriages were religious ceremonies, even if not performed in a religious building.

But regardless of the origins and history of this particular word (after all, there were lots of other words for marriage before marriage!), religion definitely does not hold propriety over the word. I can prove this point with a simple example: Every year, millions of non-religious marriage ceremonies are performed for heterosexual couples, and as far as I know no major religion has been complaining about that.

Since it is acceptable and normal by both religious and non-religious people to refer to non-religious heterosexual marriages as marriages - which are, in effect, civil unions (as opposed to religious unions) - then I don't see why we would need a new word for civil unions or gay unions.

Almost by definition, the state should not have any problem with the so-called semantics of the word, since that would be a kind of state discrimination. By the same token, there might very well be some religions that are okay with gay marriage, and there could conceivably be religious marriages for gay couples. Religions are not supposed to decide what is equality under the law. Of course, the issue is more complex then that, because we do allow religion to mix with politics. And let's not forget to mention that it's not only religion that objects to gay marriage; it's also basic prejudice against gays.

The argument over the word marriage for gay couples is nothing more than an indirect way to express a person's disapproval of such marriages. I would like to see a survey to see how these people would feel if gay people were allowed to have, say, civil unions, with ALL of the same legal rights and responsibilities of marriage. Would they really be okay with it as long as the word marriage wasn't used? Maybe I'm overly cynical, but I doubt it.

For example, one of the concerns voiced by opponents of gay marriage is that if such marriages were allowed school children could be taught or told that gays can get married, which supposedly teaches children that being gay is normal (i.e. If it's legal, it's okay). Well, if gays could get a civil union that is the equivalent of marriage, then teachers could tell children that gays can get civil unions. In children's minds, how much of a distinction would they make between the two if they are really the same thing, and would opponents of gay marriage be okay with this? After all, we're only talking about the difference between two words that are virtual synonyms. And would this small distinction in any way affect what we call non-religious heterosexual unions? Would they also be called civil unions, and the word marriage reserved only for religious unions?

Of all the things to worry about! A mere word! Is it the word or the substance that is the real problem? If I were gay and wanted to get married I would call my opponents' bluff and settle for civil unions. I think that taking away that superficial objection would expose the real prejudices underneath.

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2008/12/03 - 8:22pm

Some opponents of gay marriage claim that they are in fact in support of completely equal forms of “unions” for gay and straight people, but that the word “marriage” is somehow already taken by religion.

Moses, I'd be interested if you know of any significant religions that actually object to calling the union of non-religious straight couples marriage? I'm sure that there are individuals who object, but you can find people who are pro and con anything!

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