Home » Discussion Forum—A Way with Words, a fun radio show and podcast about language

Discussion Forum—A Way with Words, a fun radio show and podcast about language

A Way with Words, a radio show and podcast about language and linguistics.

Discussion Forum (Archived)

Please consider registering
Guest
Forum Scope


Match



Forum Options



Min search length: 3 characters / Max search length: 84 characters
The forums are currently locked and only available for read only access
sp_TopicIcon
defensed vs. defended
Guest
1
2016/10/24 - 11:04am

During a football game this weekend I heard a sportscaster say "... defensed the quarterback." I've always used/heard "defended" as the past tense of "defend." Now I realize that sports have a lot of their own jargon, but this one was new to me ... and I watch a lot of sports. I especially object to "defensed" since when spoken it could be interpreted as "removing a fence" (though the context would likely clarify the use).

The Ngram for "defensed" vs. "defended" shows a virtual flat-line for "defensed" so this must be something new.

It is in the online dictionaries, and is presented with no apologies or disclaimers, like "archaic" or "informal" or "speech only" so I guess it's legit. But I'll keep using "defended" thank you. Even as a descriptivist I don't like "defensed".

Curiously, fans who hold up signs with a capital "D" plus a section of picket fence are implying the British spelling of "defence." Maybe they should replace the picket fence with an image of a "great warrior" (see Urban Dictionary).  🙂

Just my rant ... no real question here. Other opinions welcome.

Robert
553 Posts
(Offline)
2
2016/10/25 - 4:25am

Some dictionaries add the context Sports, like this:  tr.v. de·fensed, de·fens·ing, de·fens·es Sports

It seems the idea is to hark back to the noun defense,  because nouns conjure things that are physical or at least tangible, not so abstract like verbs are.   You kind of 'see' the team doing their things.

I can imagine that kind of thinking behind adjective formations  like these ( that favor a noun root over a verb) : fashionable, objectionable, personable, actionable.

Guest
3
2016/10/25 - 6:55am

Not that it matters, but there seems to be a Middle English use: "And sore he defensed him at that tyde." "This lond (land) schuld be defensed ageyn the cruelte of Scottis"

From Middle English Dictionary,

https://books.google.com/books?id=EmFFciq2y_cC&pg=PA902&dq=defensed&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiw3Ybai_bPAhUJ-2MKHQ7-AGIQ6AEILTAD#v=onepage&q=defensed&f=false

Forum Timezone: UTC -7
Show Stats
Administrators:
Martha Barnette
Grant Barrett
Moderators:
Grant Barrett
Top Posters:
Newest Members:
A Conversation with Dr Astein Osei
Forum Stats:
Groups: 1
Forums: 1
Topics: 3647
Posts: 18912

 

Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 618
Members: 1268
Moderators: 1
Admins: 2
Most Users Ever Online: 1147
Currently Online:
Guest(s) 112
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)