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The word "creemee" (spelled various ways) actually has two related meanings:
- Soft-serve ice cream
- An ice cream stand that serves soft-serve ice cream
So, you could say: let's go to the creemee to get creemees.
It is true that this word is pretty much confined to the borders of Vermont; however, in Northfield, Massachusetts, just a couple of miles from the southeast corner of Vermont, there is an ice cream stand called the Northfield Creamie. ( http://www.northfieldcreamie.com )
There are a lot of stores named for their principal offering. Let's go to the Dairy Queen for Dairy Queen.
In Lima Ohio, people who are hungry for sliders go to a Kewpee to get Kewpees. The stores have plump naked dolls with a sign that reads something like "Hamburg, pickle on toip, makes your heart go flippity-flop", so those must be Kewpee dolls.
Glenn said
I just noticed on Jake's Cree-Mee Freeze website that they list the hours as 12AM - 10PM, etc. I suspect that they open at noon. Whoops!
Since noon is nether ante-meridian nor post-meridian, I used to argue that noon is 12 M, but somehow, people assumed that 12 M meant 12 midnight and 12 N meant noon, instead of 12 meridian and 12 nightly.
In military time, is midnight 24 hundred hours and 5 minutes later 24:05, or is it zero hundred hours and 00:05?
Again, on the web there is quite some controversy. Unambiguously, any time in the hour after midnight is always 00nn hours, from 0001 (zero-zero-zero-one) to 2359 (twenty-three fifty-nine). Based on my research, I feel confident that BOTH 0000 and 2400 are in fact in use for midnight, although 2400 seems to be in more common use.
Still, unlike the potential confusion of 12AM and 12PM, it is unambiguous that both 0000 hours and 2400 hours refer to midnight, and can mean absolutely no other time of day. Some say that you use 0000 for the midnight at the start of the day and 2400 for the midnight at the end of the day, but I can find notable counter-examples of that rule, one of which is included below. My buddy who was career Army (ret.) insists that midnight in the Army was always 2400 in all contexts.
With 2400 hours:
Army
This U.S. Army Corps of Engineers document:
Data Ending 2400 hours 08 JAN 2015
And this policy on liberties, which, against some opinions, actually uses 2400 to refer to midnight as the start time and 0500 as the end time(!):
... between the hours of 2400 and 0500 on all days, ... .
Navy
20 hours/day (0400 - 2400 hours) Monday thru Friday;
Air Force
... even after 2400 hours.
Marines
... officially concludes at 2400 hours on 30 September 2014
Coast Guard
... but no later than 2400 hours on the final ...
For 0000 hours
Army
... beginning at 0000 hours each day
Navy
... starting at 0000 hours UTC
Air Force
Graveyard shifts commencing at 0000 hours begin the day.
Marines
beginning at midnight (which is 0000 hours).
Coast Guard
vessel delay began July 21 at 0000 hours.
Just for fun, there is this cool map of D-Day:
Library of Congress
Glenn, how do you post an image?
Help says:
Images and Attachments
There is a button on the editor toolbar for inserting images that are already hosted somewhere on the internet. If you have a URL for an image, click this button and enter the URL in the popup box which appears.
I find a button for links, but none for images. I'd appreciate some enlightenment.
Thanks,
Peter
deaconB said
Since noon is nether ante-meridian nor post-meridian, I used to argue that noon is 12 M, but somehow, people assumed that 12 M meant 12 midnight and 12 N meant noon, instead of 12 meridian and 12 nightly.
12:00 noon lasts for a full minute while the meridian is only the first fraction of that minute. The rest of that minute is rightly post-meridian. I assume that since the preponderance of 12:00 noon is, in fact, pm it became the standard designation.
tromboniator said
Glenn, how do you post an image?
The buttons I see at the top of my edit window are
b (bold)
i (italic)
u (underscore)
link
b-quote
img
etc.
When I click the img button I get a dialog box that allows me to enter a url of an image. Then it magically appears, but NOT in the preview window.
Dick said
12:00 noon lasts for a full minute while the meridian is only the first fraction of that minute. The rest of that minute is rightly post-meridian. I assume that since the preponderance of 12:00 noon is, in fact, pm it became the standard designation.
You're rounding off improperly. If 12:00 pm lasts a minute, then 12 pm lasts an hour - and if someone told you it was 12 pm at 12:59.59.99, you'd (righhtly call him a liar. If you waltz into work 45 seconds late every day, a significant fraction of bosses would say you're late.
I know several computer programmers who are genuinely perturbed that POSIX(UNIX) computers do not correctly account for time. Since the Epoch (December 31, 1969), there have been distressed that POSIX time has ignored the 29 leap-seconds introduced since 1972. There will be another one this summer; July 1 will be 86401, not 86400 seconds long. This could potentially become an issue for everyone. Thankfully, GPS depends on ultra-accurate timekeeping, but has NOT compensated for leap seconds since the GPS epoch of January 6, 1980.
It seems reasinable that 2400 hours on January 31 would be the same time as zero hundred hoiurs on February 1.... If you say "Midnight on Thursday", nobody knows whether you're talking aboiut late Wednesday evening, or early Friday morning.
Presumably, if midnight is zero hundred hours, the one between Sunday and Monday occurs on January 12, and if it's 2400 hours, it would be on J
No good times, no bad times
There’s no times at all
Just the New York Times - Paul Simon
tromboniator said
Interesting. I see
B
I
U
Bulleted list
Numbered list
Blockquote
Decrease Indent
Increase Indent
Insert/edit link
Remove link
etc.Nary an Img in sight. A Mac/Win thing? This is very disappointing.
Well, thanks all the same.
Peter
PS: Apologies for the hijack.
It might be an Admin thing; I see img too.
I don't see the IMG button either. But I was able to include an image for which I had the URL by using the "insert link" button. If you can't find the image you want to include, you have to upload it to some image hosting website first, or put it on your own website. I'm pretty sure that works. Let's try one:
http://www.heimhenge.com/downloads/lights-1.jpg
Nope. The link works if you click on it and takes you to the image, but it doesn't display in-line. Damn ... I coulda' sworn that worked on a previous post I did somewhere here. Maybe the forum software and/or permission structure changed? Sure would be a nice feature to have. Grant probably turned that off for non-admin members just to cut down on the spam.
Nice pic.
So's this.
http://heimhenge.com/skylights/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/2006-10-18-S.jpg
And the image shows up before one posts.
deaconB said: And the image shows up before one posts.
Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool. Maybe one of the Mods should start a new thread titled "inserting images" or something that could be searched for by newbies to the forum. Or a sticky thread? Or edit the help file? Or turn on the IMG button for regular members?
On the other hand, maybe that HTML tag will be obvious to most people. At least those who frequent fora.
deaconB I was explaining why 12:00 noon came to be known as 12:00 pm and you started giving information (absolutely correct information, as far as I can tell) which had nothing to do with what I was saying. The average person, who is not obsessed with the fact that computers do not keep time correctly, will refer to 12:00 as twelve o'clock for sixty seconds until the time becomes 12:01. I know they are wrong, you don't have to tell me. This is just the way people talk. The point of my previous post was that nearly all of the minute that an average person calls twelve o'clock noon is post-meridian, therefore it is logical to call 12:00 noon 12:00 pm.
BTW When I said the average person doesn't care that computers don't keep time correctly, I was not saying that incorrect time does not affect them in any way. I'm only saying that most people don't care.
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