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2016/04/17 - 2:05pm

My father, Howard, died December 1, 2015. In the months before that we talked of many bits of his life. One was a way he counted to entertain us. He said he learned it from his grandmother who came from North Carolina, then moved to Nebraska.
It went something like this: "Teen, tine, feather, fips, matha, catha, latha......" It had a consistency that seemed to take it up into the twenties or more. I have a video of him doing the counting.
All fun and curious by itself. But then I went to a performance of the Music Man (with my grand daughter playing a towns-person).  There was a scene where one of the women in town took center stage with her young Indian (Native American) child actors. She folded her arms and said "Now I will count... teen, tine, feather, ......" WOW it was the same!. (This is in the play just before someone in the play/town sets off fireworks and scatters the crowd).

So, is there a possible link between the play and what my Dad learned from great grandmother? Is there a link to a tribal language that the play writer and great grandmother knew? Is it just a coincidence?

It would be a delight to have some light on this in honor of my father.

Thanks

Dale Pracht
Norfolk, NE

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2016/04/17 - 3:16pm

A little googling found this. There are also links in the comments which should be examined.

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2016/04/18 - 1:38am

Meredith Willson was born in Iowa, worked in NYC, served in the military and lived in Ca;ifornia.  No telling where that came from. 

It didn't appear on the LP 0f ether Broadway show or the movie.  Kenley players did it, starring Fprrest Tucker. I don't remember that, bu that was about 50- years ago.  It wasn't mentioned in Willson's b0ok about creaing Music Man, either,

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