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Contingent victory
Robert
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2015/08/21 - 11:24am

Recently our government has Marines hoist US flag at locale erstwhile adversarial, but only following volunteered cessation of enmity by our side.   Then we turn round and claim that raising that flag is the fulfillment of some 50 year old vow!  -all straight facedly.  (No disrespect to leaders nor Marines  here, but there should be no doubt that whatever vow that was,  it had mainly to do with our being victorious over the enemy- however tacit that was.)

That makes me remember my funny boss who always used to make a victorious show out of being chronically late to meetings.  If he's way late for the 9 AM meeting, first thing coming into the room he would point to the clock,  and announce triumphantly whatever time it's showing, like,  "Nine seventeen and a half  - sharp !  "

Or similarly, but more egregiously,   some believers of Evolution  would argue for it with claim that any life forms  or rocks that just happen to be extant, and  whatever shapes and configurations they end up taking, are incontrovertible evidences and apt demonstrations of the law of natural selection !

The common thread is how you can always manage to spin victories out of  whatever,  defining your goals and even inventing predictions to fit  events as you go.   But that's often enough that I thought there is a word for it, no?  If not, one ought to be invented, something ironic and more meaningful than, say, contingentism ,  as-you-pleasism, whateverism .

EmmettRedd
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2015/08/21 - 4:19pm

Robert,
It sounds like a form of one-upmanship.

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2015/08/21 - 4:34pm

If you were to ask anyone in the military, they'd probably use the word "closure" or possibly "military protocol" or maybe even "just desserts."

When I spent 3 years in the USAF back in the 70s, I was surprised, enlightened, and "enwisened" to find a totally different mind-set there. I respect what they do for our country, but don't pretend to understand their mind-set. That's why I bailed when my term was up.

deaconB
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2015/08/21 - 9:13pm

I suspect the George Orwell had a term for it, but in the half century since I last read Animal Farm and 1984, I've surely forgotten.

It's the same thing as asking whp first discovered the Pacific Ocean.  Hawauuans need not apply.Shadrack R. Hudson was born 1/21/1820 near Junction, Ohio. Local histories state he was the first white child born in the county, and that may well have been true, but the oldest families of the county were there 20 years before that, and it's highly unlikely that they were barren.  Not only do injun lives not matter, the battle of Fallen Timbers having ended hostilities in 1794, but black lives don't matter, either, it seems.As some say, "What's mine is mine, and what's your is negotiable."  In the 1960s, school teachers said that every invention was credited to a Russian by the USSR, but as I've learned over the years, their claims were more often justified.  On Jeopardy tonight, they said that while Eli Whitney is credited with inventing the cotton gin, there were cotton gins in use in 400 BC.Maybe we could call it "Amosism"   Wally Amos had a sign "Famous Amos" on his store before he started selling chocolate chip cookies in 1975.  There never was an "unfamoous Amos".

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