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2015/08/06 - 5:52pm

Knowing many cows (yeah, cows...I lived on a dairy farm) they were referred to in gender as the bull, cow, steer or calf; however, maybe 'bovine' would be a more 'gender neutral' term. 

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2015/08/06 - 5:58pm

also bovine was used to keep our words 'clean' ... As in male bovine deification... ?

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2015/08/09 - 2:10pm
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2015/08/09 - 4:12pm

I don't see that, Emmett.    Crownover  is correcting people, who might well be few.

Myself, I've yet seen any evidence that  Cattle  with   S   is  increasing.

Well it does spike in the stats, but the volume is still relatively not that significant.

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2015/08/10 - 10:30pm

heysuzen said
also bovine was used to keep our words 'clean' ... As in male bovine deification... ?

I like this.  I've used it twice since you posted it.

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2015/08/11 - 8:29am

heysuzen said
also bovine was used to keep our words 'clean' ... As in male bovine deification... ?

I've only heard of "holy cow", not "holy bull"  Maybe you meant defecation?.

Pesident Turman gave a talk to a garden club, and afterwards, the head of the club complained to Bess that Harry had used the term "chicken manure" in his talk, and suggested that Bess could convince him to say "fertilizer" instead.

Oh dear, Bess replied.  You have NO idea how hard it was to get him to say "manure"!

I'm not sure why shit is an "unclean" word.  About 80% of it is gut flora, our microbiome, which is responsible for most of our immunity to disease.

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2015/08/14 - 8:07pm

My comment above is based on the assumption that you meant defecation. I chose not to argue about it.

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2015/08/23 - 8:41am

mbaretich said

Cow? No, that's for female cattle. Neat? Archaic! Head of cattle? Too many words.

In another thread, there is a quote of the OxED that says the non-gender specific term for a singular bovine is ox.

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2015/08/23 - 5:26pm

Couldn't we avoid this whole singular plural question if we reverted to the Latin? There's a few distinct bovine species, but taking Bos taurus as the example ...

The singular would be: That's a fine looking Bos taurus you have there, Farmer Brown.
And the plural would be: That's a fine herd of Bos tauri you have there, Farmer Brown.

Gender is thus removed from the equation.

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2015/08/23 - 8:13pm

On a game show tonight, the question was "Are there more people or cows in Texas?"

The answer I got but IIRC, the celebrity didn't. is that there are more people.  My reasoning?  Everybody knows a lot of Texans are all hat, no cattle.

But as a backup, I decided that the number of *seers* might approximate the number of people, but only about half of all steers are cows.

Not many bulls, thanks to AI.  Texan politicians must be slingong steershit to their listeners instead of bullshit.

The singular would be: That’s a fine looking Bos taurus you have there, Farmer Brown.
And the plural would be: That’s a fine herd of Bos tauri you have there, Farmer Brown.

Would Farmer Brown be confused by that?  Bossie traditionally refers to a female that has come fresh at least once.

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