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America's Secret Slang
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2016/08/05 - 3:57pm

I'm curious what some of the experts here think of the series on the History Channel called "America's Secret Slang." For those who haven't seen it on television yet, full episodes of the first two seasons are also currently viewable on the History Channel website for free. However, a subscription is necessary to see through the tablet/phone app. 

Origin reasoning for expressions are given straight forwardly as fact, so it would seem that some explanations might be open to controversy. The main expression that I became curious about, because of the contradictory opinion of Grant and Martha is the origin of "cry uncle."

In one of the first season's episodes, "Coming to America," the show posits the influx of Gaelic speaking Irish immigrants as the origin including such expressions as "full of baloney," "longshoreman," "dogie," "cop," "nincompoop," and "cry uncle." These were based on the theories of author Daniel Cassidy in his book "How The Irish Invented Slang." He avers that uncle, in this sense, came from the Gaelic "anacal," (loosely pronounced ahna-kaal) which means mercy. This makes sense, because the language predates the parrot joke explanation, is straight forward, and would be something a Gaelic speaker would say if he had enough in a fight or the dominator would ask his victim to say. Also the parrot joke explanation seems too contrived in its reasoning because of its transference from America back to England instead of from Ireland to England, as the unique word the owner was trying to get the parrot to say and the reason why the parrot fought with the chickens. Where else has a joke been the origin of an expression, anyway?

Why is the Gaelic origin of this expression discounted?

Anyway, back to the original question. Did anyone else take issue with any other word origins or the validity of its authoritative stance, in this show series?

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2016/08/06 - 10:27am

I don't have the answers.  Only wondering about the wording in the name of the show.

Why secret?   And the show appears to be mostly about idioms, not slangs.

Perhaps the meanings of   slang  and   idiom  overlap some.   But mostly slangs are nonstandard words, or standard words that convey nonstandard meanings (grass for marijuana);   whereas idioms are statements consisting of  fully standard words, each word with fully standard meaning; only the statement means other than what it apparently says.

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2016/08/09 - 5:55pm

Yeah, why "secret" ? ... not like people are trying to hide this usage. Some clever writer probably figured it worked better than "America's Obscure Slang"  🙂

And yes, there is some overlap between "slang" and "idiom" but as far as I know, if it's only a single word, it's gotta be called "slang."

Here's a nice list of the 60-some most common idioms in the English language, with translations. They range from 2 to 9 words in length. Probably average around 4-5 words:

http://www.smart-words.org/quotes-sayings/idioms-meaning.html

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