Ever drop a reference that just makes you sound, well, of a certain age? Grant and Martha discuss language that's lost on other generations. Why is the entree the main course? Shouldn't it come first? And why is the letter k silent in "knot" and "knight"? Plus, the right way to say "the," a remedy for the superstition of splitting the pole, names for the toes straight from Mother Goose, the difference between finished and done, and a special word quiz for all you zombie fans!
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This episode first aired October 31, 2011.
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Outdated Language
Ever drop a reference that just makes you sound out of touch? Are you using outdated slang? Changes in pop culture and catchphrases are always marking the generational gap, from the sitcom characters we love to the way we say something's cool.
The "Doogie Howser" scene in the movie 50/50 is a perfect example.
Done vs. Finished
What's the difference between done and finished? If you've completed something, are you done? Or are you finished? Grant and Martha contend that there's no historical evidence to suggest a difference between the two, although finished is slightly more formal.
Entrees
Why are main courses called entrees in the US? Why isn't the entree the first course of a meal? In 19th Century Britain, the entree came after a course of soup or fish, but before the main portion of the meal, such as a boar's head. Over time, the main course converged into one course, but the name entree stuck.
"Of" Instead of "Before" the Hour
If it's ten of five, what time is it? Is it the same as ten till five? Why, yes it is! Ten of five, or ten till five, are both appropriate ways to say 4:50.
More Old-Fashioned Language
Grant and Martha share some more terms that make a person sound old-fashioned these days. Ever get a blank stare when you mention the icebox?
Zombie Word Puzzle
Our Quiz Guy John Chaneski has a zombiefied puzzle called Dead Reckoning. What's the problem with putting zombies in the legislature? A deadlocked government!
Pronouncing "Garage"
How do you pronounce garage? Does it rhyme with "barrage," or do you say it like the British so it rhymes with "carriage"? The variations abound, and they all work.
Rule for Pronouncing "The"
There's a rule for the pronunciation of the word "the." If it's followed by a word whose first letter is a vowel, sticklers say it should be pronounced like "/thee/," as in, the end. If followed by a consonant, it rhymes with "duh," as in "the dog". That's thuh long and thuh short of it.
Outdated Word Comebacks
Some outdated words wind up coming back in cheeky and ironic ways. For example, kids these days likely know groovy from Austin Powers, not from the flower children.
Pole-Splitting Superstition
It's a common superstition: do not split a pole. That is, if two people are walking down the street, they shouldn't each walk around a different side of a lamppost, telephone pole, or mailbox. But if they do, there's a remedy: just say bread and butter! There's an old Merrie Melodies cartoon of panthers doing that.
And of course, there's a Facebook page devoted to keeping poles whole.
Hyperpolyglots
There's a story going around about a 19th Century priest named Giuseppe Mezzofanti who claimed to speak forty to fifty languages. Hyperpolyglots, or those who speak six or more languages fluently, offer some key insights into learnings language. Michael Erard chronicles all this in his linguistic cliffhanger, Babel No More: The Search for Extraordinary Language Learners.
Mouthfeel of Words
Is there a term for the way words feel when they're spoken that has nothing to do with their meaning? The word "suitcase" feels nice to say, unlike rural. "Cellar door" certainly has a different quality than "moist ointment." Mouthfeel is an oft-noted concept. But in his book Alphabet Juice, Roy Blount, Jr., says of his favorite term to enunciate: polyurethane foam. His reason? "It's just so sayable."
Not Those Rubbers, These Rubbers
Depending on what generation you're from, "Get your rubbers!" could mean put on your galoshes or it put on something else!
Silent K
Did we ever pronounce the "k" sound in the words "knot" or "know"? The now-silent k underwent apheresis, from Greek meaning "to take off." In olden days, the word knight also had an initial-k sound, and a "kin-not" was the thing you tie. But nowadays, as Blount would say, the k in knot is silent, "like the p in swimming."
Innocent Boner
At one time, a boner was a mistake. And now, it's — you know. Beware of that outdated usage, grownups!
Names for the Toes
Do our toes have names? Mother Goose and Scandinavian nursery rhymes gave us variants of Tom Pumpkin, Long Larkin, Betty Pringle, Johnny Jingle, and Little Dick. Sounds cooler than big toe, no? A whole lot more shared here.
Baseball Riddle
What dessert would you serve a baseball player? Why, a bundt cake, of course!
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Books Mentioned in the Broadcast
| Babel No More: The Search for Extraordinary Language Learners by Michael Erard |
| Alphabet Juice by Roy Blount, Jr. |
Music Used in the Broadcast
| Title | Artist | Album | Label |
|---|---|---|---|
| Funky Fever | Joe Thomas | Feelin's From Within | Groove Merchant |
| A Place in Space | Joe Thomas | Here I Come | Lester Radio Corporation |
| Polarizer | Joe Thomas | Feelin's From Within | Groove Merchant |
| Dig On It | Jimmy McGriff | Soul Sugar | Capitol Records |
| NT | Kool and The Gang | The Best of Kool and the Gang (1969-1976) | Mercury |
| Base Line | Syd Dale | Cinemaphonic 2: Soul Punch | Motel Records |
| Do I Have To Boogaloo? | The Double Dozen Orchestra | Dance Date | Amphonic Music Ltd |
| London Life | The Syd Dale Orchestra | London Life | Amphonic Music Ltd |
| Let's Call The Whole Thing Off | Ella Fitzgerald | Ella Fitzgerald Sings the George & Ira Gershwin Song Book | UMG Recordings |
You can also have aphereis if you go to the blood bank. They centrifuge out the red blood cells and return them to you. They bag the yellow platelets.
Grant Barrett said: At one time, a boner was a mistake. And now, it's — you know. Beware of that outdated usage, grownups!
Yeah, and at one time, the term woody meant a vehicle with real wood exterior panels.
And before that, it was a synonym for "wooded."
Ngrams says its usage has leveled off since the 40s-50s (the heyday of wood paneled vehicles).
There's a rule for the pronunciation of the word "the." If it's followed by a word whose first letter is a vowel, sticklers say it should be pronounced like "/thee/," as in, the end. If followed by a consonant, it rhymes with "duh," as in "the dog". That's thuh long and thuh short of it.
I first learned this rule back in Elementary School - specifically in select chorus. It's a very clear memory. We were learning about singing syllables, and how important it was that were were all singing on the same vowel, and someone asked about when to sing "thee" versus "thuh." And that's when Ms. Rapkin taught us this rule.
Haven't posted anything in a long while ^_^ I'm so happy for that old, old "kromka" as a Polish term shout out.
There is one context where the rule of pronunciation for "the" is religiously followed - and preached, and that is English as a Second Language. In every English Language classroom outside the native English speaking zone you will be taught this rule at the very beginning of your schooling. It's all part of the "th-" allophones pronunciation, which is not at all easy for people who don't have it in their mother tongues, and part of the great obligatory article tirade (to my mind there's way too much time spent on such a petty and instinctively-mastered rule, but hey, it's just me). And as foreigners we are also taught one more exception: all words baginning with "u-" can be preceded with "the" in whichever pronunciation, emphasis or no, due to "u's" phonetic status (referring to the "j" semivowel preceding the "u" in pronunciation).
Also, English students throughout the world also get chewed up over the initial "kn-"/"gn-" pronunciation/spelling, too ^_^.
Also about the call about telling the time. The grammatical construcion of "It's X (minutes) of Y(hours)" as in "It's 20 (minutes) of six (hours)" looks very much like, indeed it looks like a calque of the russian syntactic construction for telling the time. In Russian one would say "20 (минут) шеÑтого" ("шеÑтого" means the "six" marked with possessive). And that's standard, casual way of telling time. I would not be surprised at all to find that it actually is some sort of a syntactic calque brought over by Russian immigrants way back when.