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Why are people "on TV" but "in the movies?"
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2010/05/03 - 11:12am

It sounds a little like one of those silly rhetorical questions to point out some kind of oxymoron like "Why to they call them apartments when they're built so close together?," but is there any known reason why people/places are said to be "on" TV but "in" the movies?

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2010/05/03 - 1:08pm

Best guess: You turn the TV on to watch it, but go in a theater to view a movie?

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2010/05/03 - 4:48pm

Warning: Unfounded speculation follows. I'm not sure how much is donut and how much is hole.

It looks like we tend to use "on" for media and "in" for the content conveyed by the media:
"On TV"
"On stage"
"On the radio"
"On the silver/big screen"
"On the CD"
"On the DVD"
"On the web/webpage"

"In the movie"
"In the story"
"In the skit"
"In the play"
"In the program"

Except that printed media doesn't appear to follow this:
"In a book"
"In the paper"
"In print"

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2010/05/03 - 5:21pm

In the miniseries on TV ...
In my favorite program on TV ...

Prepositions are some of the trickiest elements of language. It is probably wisest to consider them a matter of convention, rather than rationally determined. "Reasons" for selecting one preposition over another can serve as a mnemonic for those struggling to acquire language, but such explanations rarely stand up to careful scrutiny.

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2010/05/03 - 7:51pm

I have no idea if this is correct, but I bet that "on the movies" sounds too much like "on the move". So people chose "in the movies" to avoid confusion. Also, "in the movies" hints at a large industry, like "He's in insurance". But while TV is an industry, it's also right in our living rooms. Whatever is broadcast over the airways is "on TV." "In TV" does mean that a person works in the TV industry, while saying, "in TV" to mean "what's on the TV screen" would probably lead people to think someone was inside the TV. But they're not -- they're merely on it.

Ron Draney
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2010/05/03 - 11:19pm

One can be simultaneously "on a boat" and "in a harbor", both of which are strictly inaccurate if you're below decks (thus "in" the boat rather than "on" it) and the boat is afloat (and "on" the water rather than "in" it).

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2010/05/04 - 5:45pm

Glenn said:

It is probably wisest to consider them a matter of convention, rather than rationally determined. "Reasons" for selecting one preposition over another can serve as a mnemonic for those struggling to acquire language, but such explanations rarely stand up to careful scrutiny.


I think that's the best answer. There may have been some reason for the first use of "in" and "on" in these cases, but everything after that is just blindly following a precedent.

EmmettRedd
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2010/05/05 - 5:18pm

These days, I think it is better to be "on your cell" than "in your cell". (But, I guess that if the guards or security is lacking one could be "on his cell" while "in his cell".)

Emmett

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2010/05/05 - 8:27pm

One of my favorite silly jokes is set up when someone calls me and immediately informs me they are calling on their cell phone. I usually reply something like "I'm honored you would use your one phone call on me." or "Do they have phones in every cell, or do you have to share, like the showers?" or " Did the guard lend you the quarter?"

I prefer (but lament) the change to "mobile phone."

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