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Paper to Pixels, Pages to Screens
Grant Barrett
San Diego, California
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2008/03/08 - 9:21am

You've just read a terrific paperback novel. Would you feel any differently about it if you'd the same words on the glowing screen of an electronic book? Martha and Grant discuss the social and psychological implications of books that run on batteries.

Read the original blog post and listen to this episode.

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A caller remembers an odd phrase from her childhood. If she asked too many questions, her mother would brush them off with the phrase “layers for meddlers and crutches for lame ducks.” Say what?

A Milwaukee listener is curious about an expression he uses to describe underlings who can't seem to do something right: “You give 'em books, and all they do is eat the covers!”

Martha and Grant discuss the rise of the Great Japanese cell-phone novel.

Quiz Guy John Chaneski presents the hosts with a wacky puzzle based on two-word phrases containing the sounds “oo oo,” “ee ee,” and “aa aa.” As you might expect, animal hilarity ensues.

A retired theater professor wants to know why she keeps hearing the word “dramaturge” used in surprising new ways. Is “dramaturged” now a legitimate verb? Can the noun also refer to someone who adapts a play for particular production—and not just to the person who originally wrote it?

A caller from Down Under phones to say he's annoyed when honorees declare they're “humbled” by this or that award. He thinks it's not only illogical, but smacks of insincerity.

A fair-haired listener has been puzzled by the origin of a word she's heard all her life: “Tow-headed.” And no, it has nothing to do with the digits on one's feet.

This week's “Slang This!” contestant, John Schwaller, president of the State University of New York at Potsdam, ponders the possible meanings of the terms “donk” and “Baltimore wrench.” He offers his own favorite slang term, “snow snake.”

A Washington, D.C. caller wonders whether there's a difference between the words “grey” and “gray.” Do they designate exactly the same thing? Why are they spelled differently.

A California man says his mother used to respond to his inquiries about what they were going to do by telling him playfully, “We're going to Buxtehude!” Decades later, he wonders whether there really is a place called Buxtehude, or where in the world she got that phrase.

Grant shares his thoughts about the future of electronic books, and whether dog-eared pages with scribbles in the margins will one day go the way of the papyrus roll.

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2008/03/11 - 9:28am

Re: "eat the covers."

Is it possible that this use of "eat the covers" is related to the expression “You give [or buy] 'em books, and all they do is eat the covers!”?

(Tenuous, I know.)

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2008/03/11 - 3:21pm

I can handle both formats of books: paper and pixel (i.e., electronic).
There are several advantages of using e-books:
• They aren't as heavy as their pulpy cousins.
• The pages don't tear.
• The pages don't “age” over time.
• You can't get papercuts.
• If you fall asleep while reading, you won't accidentally slam the book shut and lose your place.
• Searching for content is a cinch.
• If you take notes you can do it in a notepad (esp. electronic); as opposed to in the margin.
• You can usually edit the content (one way or another) if something is: a) misspelled, b) out of date, or c) needing insertion due to either complete absence (e.g., of an entire page) or typographic oversight (e.g., “hat” pro “that”).
• They usually cost much less than paperbound (“paperbound”, I know that sounds weird) books.
• When ordering a book, you don't have to wait 6-8 (or more) weeks for it to “arrive”.
• If you come across a word you don't know (especially if it is very long and hard to remember how to spell) and if your computer/device has a contextual-menu feature, you can often just highlight the word and look it up online.
• You can have hyperlinks and anchors which save you time having to thumb through other books (which you might not have handy).
• If you want to give someone a copy of a particular book, you can “e” it to them (that is, send/transfer it to them electronically).
• One less tree to chop down (literally).

Of course, paper books are still preferable in many ways:
• You don't need any extra equipment in order to read it.
• You don't have to scroll to “navigate” while reading.
• The print is usually larger and more legible (although it depends).
• They don't require you to download extra fonts.
• The images don't need to be anti-aliased (unless they were created/printed with a computer).
• Less exposure to radiation (however negligible it may be when behind a monitor or electronic screen).
• You don't have to wait for it to be platformed for your particular device/OS.
• You can read the original without having to worry about some ineffective OCR program having “misread” any obscure text. Mojibake anyone?
• If you drop one, you usually don't have to have it repaired.
• You can usually read them around water (e.g., at a pool, in the bathtub—although I never do…).
• They can't be accidentally deleted.
• They don't crash.
• They burn longer, thereby providing more warmth on a cold night, ha-ha! (Totally kidding! 😉 )
• Each has its own particular smell (to whomever may care; myself being one).

Anyway, I doubt either will entirely replace the other. So, it seems we'll just have to learn to live with both. GB? MB?

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2008/03/11 - 9:17pm

As a graphic designer who has worked in an art gallery, both gray/grey and theater/theatre came up often. I edited the newsletter, which was printed in black and white. In describing how I needed photo submissions, I would often ask for "greyscale" images. To me, "grey" seems softer. "Gray" seems heavy and plodding. And somehow, the artists understood what I meant.

As for the theater/theatre issue, we were adjacent to a community playhouse. There were a few others scattered around town. They all were theatres. But we also ran listings for the independent film series down at the local theater. So to my understanding (and enhancing Grant's "Theatre is the art / theater is the building" definition), "theatre" is live, and "theater" is film.

Love the show. Please keep it up!

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2008/03/12 - 9:19am

On important thing that Martha and Grant didn't mention (perhaps because they didn't know) is that the bad thing about The Amazon Kindle and other readers is that the books are "protected" with DRM (digital restrictions management). This prevents you from doing what is perfectly legal to do with paperback books - lend them to others! Also, these e-readres do not allow you, in most circumstances, to resell the book. So if you use these devices you are losing your rights!

More here: http://defectivebydesign.org/DRMEbookFlyer
and http://defectivebydesign.org/KindleSwindle

Martha Barnette
San Diego, CA
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2008/03/12 - 9:51am

Wordsmith, sounds like you have the makings of a fine essay there!

Jacques, very interesting about "greyscale." I've always seen it spelled "grayscale." (Isn't that how it is in computer programs, for example? That's my memory, at least.) I'll have to chew on those theater/theatre distinctions. It'd be easier to simply say one is American and one is British, but I do see your point.

Martha Barnette
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2008/03/12 - 9:55am

djotaku, I had no heard that! Let me get this straight: Does this mean that Amazon is fine selling used paper books, but not used digital material?

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2008/03/12 - 10:07am

Martha,

Exactly. Rather than be creative and think of some system that would allow people to sell and share books. (eg while you have your book lent out, you can't access your copy) they went with the Digital Restrictions Management, thus restricting your rights to do with them as you please. I hope this will eventually go the way of digital music which is now being sold on Amazon sans DRM.

So for now, stick to paperback books!

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2008/03/12 - 1:08pm

That's terrible! (DRM) What is this world coming to? I'm fine with paperbacks, too! But I do hope (and anticipate) that DRM will be jettisoned sooner or later (the sooner the better).

They're taxing our eyes and nervous systems, AAAAARRGGH! Fie upon it! How dare thee ask me to obey that filthy DRM? Nay, I say to thee! Naaaaaaaaaaay!

dhenderson
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2008/03/12 - 1:10pm

Jacques said:

So to my understanding (and enhancing Grant's “Theatre is the art / theater is the building” definition), “theatre” is live, and “theater” is film.


It may not be that simple. One of the largest chains of movie houses in the country spells it with the R first: AMC Theatres.

Dan

I'd give my right arm to be ambidextrous.

Andy
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2008/03/12 - 3:05pm

Hi Martha and Grant,
I get clasics to read on my Palm from the Project Gutenberg collection http://www.gutenberg.org/wiki/Main_Page. Project Gutenberg is a free repository of thousands of electonic books that are no longer copywritten.

I have been reading War and Peace for the last year-and-a-half. You see, I only read it in lines (or queues as some call them). If I am waiting for the grocery checkout, I pull out my palm and am transported to 19th century Russia.

Andy

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2008/03/13 - 12:16am

dhenderson said:

Jacques said:

So to my understanding (and enhancing Grant's “Theatre is the art / theater is the building” definition), “theatre” is live, and “theater” is film.


It may not be that simple. One of the largest chains of movie houses in the country spells it with the R first: AMC Theatres.

Dan


My feeling on that is that they are trying to make themselves sound classier than your ordinary moviehouse. But that's just my take on the issue.

Oh, and Martha, you are correct. Design packages offer "grayscale" over "greyscale". Maybe I'm guilty of trying to make it look more classy as well. 😉

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2008/03/15 - 10:59am

Wordsmith said:

Anyway, I doubt either will entirely replace the other. So, it seems we'll just have to learn to live with both. GB? MB?

Gigabyte & megabyte! Ha! :-p

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2008/03/15 - 1:56pm

felixblackcat said:
Gigabyte & megabyte! Ha! :-p

You and your bag of tricks! 😉

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2008/03/16 - 7:56am

"A caller from Down Under phones to say he's annoyed when honorees declare they're “humbled” by this or that award. He thinks it's not only illogical, but smacks of insincerity."

You know, I feel the same about the "apology" issue.
I don't know if it is just that I notice it more now, but do you think that public figures are saying things (that sometimes are inappropriate, sometimes offensive and sometimes, and sometimes just opinions that not everybody agrees with). After they say it, they go back and apologise for whatever they say...don't you think it is used too often to be always sincere? it is seen as acceptable, but I think that many times it does not make up for what it was told.
What do you think?
Mariana

Martha Barnette
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2008/03/16 - 10:53am

I agree, Mariana. I also notice a lot of folks apologizing by saying something to the effect of, "I'm sorry you feel that way." Not "Sorry I screwed up," but "Sorry you're unhappy about what I did." Big difference!

Martha Barnette
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2008/03/16 - 10:54am

felixblackcat said:
Gigabyte & megabyte! Ha! :-p

LOL!

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2008/03/17 - 5:43am

Yes!!
Not only that, but also, that if you apologize after you say whatever you want, you automatically are OK again in front of society, it is almost as if you never said it.
” Oh yeah, he made some racist comment, but he apologized for it” and that is almost as if apologizing could undo it….
Mariana

Bill Naber
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2008/03/18 - 7:48am

"eat the covers"

On the show you mentioned 1985 as earliest known appearance of the "you give 'em books and you give 'em books and all they do is eat the covers". I heard that phrase in DeLisle, MS (near Gulfport) in 1983 from a laboratory supervisor at the local DuPont plant. His name was Reggie and he was lamenting the lab techs' performance. Unfortunately, I don't know where he got the phrase. Reggie was from the Idlewild area in New York and had been living in Mississippi for a few years prior to 1983.

It's a good phrase, now I'm curious as to its origin, so please report back on-air if you get a good lead.

-Bill

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2008/03/18 - 9:52am

re: "Eat the Covers"

I first heard a variation of this when I was in high school in San Diego (mid-80s). A friend and I were in a band together; he was from the UP of Michigan and had a ton of funny sayings he'd break out from time to time. If somebody came to rehearsal without having learned their parts, he'd say, "What can you do? You buy 'em books, send 'em to school, and they eat the teacher."

I don't know where he heard it, but I guarantee it wasn't from the political source ref'd on the show.

-andy in North Park

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