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"ought" ought to be followed by "to". But "ought not" ought or ought not?
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2009/06/01 - 6:24pm

I was reading some vintage Orwell and I came across " ... oughtn't to say ... .". This sounded reasonably archaic or foreign to me. Then I realized that my ideolect dictates that "ought not" ought not be followed by "to." Even I recognize that it's odd. Still, there is no question about it that two distinct rules are at play.

Looking up usage, it appears to vary regionally in the US. I can't recall ever hearing "ought not to" or "oughtn't to" anywhere in my US travels.

So, where are you from? And what do you hear and say?

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2009/06/01 - 10:59pm

Where I'm from (northern California), I usually heard ought not. My grandmother, from Massachusetts, would say ought not to or oughtn't to. But everyone knows that Easterners talk funny.

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2009/06/02 - 7:52am

Thanks for the data points.

I had a great aunt who used to say durst and durstn't (/dersint/) but I haven't heard those in decades.

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2009/06/04 - 1:53pm

My grandmother (also from Massachusetts) used to say "oughtn' not", usually talking about something I have done already, but should not have.

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