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2009/08/14 - 4:33pm

I'm a relatively new listener, so this may have been covered on a previous show or discussion. What is the history of the use of apparent prepositional phrase "of late" as a synonym for the adverb "lately"? It seems to be used a lot in sports coverage (e.g., "Jones has been in a hitting slump of late.") and weather reports (e.g., "It has been unseasonably cold of late."). Of course, I've heard it in a variety of contexts. It strikes me as an unnecessary use of two words when one would do. Granted, there are the same number of letters in the two, but if you count the space, then "of late" is longer!

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2009/08/14 - 7:25pm

I don't know how far this one ultimately goes back, but Shakespeare used it in "Hamlet": "I have of late--but wherefore I know not--lost all my mirth". (Modern translation: "I don't know why, but nothing's funny any more".)

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2009/08/14 - 7:55pm

Well, if it's good enough for Shakespeare, then it's good enough for me! But I'll bet anything the people who use the phrase so often now have NO idea Shakespeare used it.

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2009/08/16 - 9:30am

Medicineman10, if length was our only criterion for deciding which words were best to use, we'd have an impoverished language.

“Of late” and “of recent” (yes, that's used, too, though less frequently) are idiomatic uses that, while they may be roughly synonymous with “lately” and “recently,” have the added value of being markers of a specific kind of quasi-formal language, which may make them the better choices on some occasions. Note where you see “of late” and I'll think you find that it rarely appears in informal language except in ironic or self-conscious uses.

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2009/08/22 - 5:03am

Grant, I definitely agree that length shouldn't be our only criterion in the choice of words. I had just never found a satisfactory etymoligical explanation for the use of "of late" as a substitute for the adverbs you mentioned. I'm a pharmacist by profession, but have always been fascinated by language. I've studied Spanish and German and on a whim even earned a PhD in Hebrew (from an accredited institution too!). I once had a colleague tell me I had a "perverted fascination with words!" I'm delighted that when I moved to central Virginia last year, I discovered your show. Thanks for helping me keep my mind sharp.

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