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Niche, nitch, neesh, nee-SHAY
torpeau
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2014/11/09 - 7:40am

Up until about a dozen years ago, I don't recall hearing anyone pronounce niche as "neesh."  I have checked a few dictionaries and most only list "nitch," but some do include "neesh" as an alternative.  At least I never hear "nee-SHAY."

Anyone else take notice of this?

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2014/11/09 - 5:32pm

That has been my experience. It's as if it sprang from nowhere, which is probably not the case, but that's how it looks from here, on a slightly different coast from yours.

I wouldn't expect to hear nee-SHAY unless it were spelled niché.

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2014/11/09 - 9:37pm

I have long believed NEESH to be proper when used in a medical or scientific sense, and the pronunciation given in Stedman's mediical dictionary backs that up.  The ordinary "hole in the wall" sense is usually pronounced NITCH.  It may be that people overhear discussion of an ecological NEESH and feeling undereducated, adopt that pronunciation as their own for other uses. 

It's not unheard of for medical/scientific pronunciations to be different.  An obstetrician will report that a baby's crowning is at 8 centimeters (SOHNtimeters) - meaning the diameter of the circle, but talk of "five centimeters (SENtimeters) per second", when talking of a linear measure. 

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2014/11/10 - 4:20am

When I studied biology in high school, a half century ago, we all said nitch. Of course, that's because Mr. Bach said it that way, but as torpeau and I have mentioned, it's only in the last decade or so that I've heard any other pronunciation in any context. Well, in English. French is a different matter.

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2014/11/10 - 8:30am

Even though I've never heard nee-shay, I wouldn't be too surprised if I were to hear it. I often see cliche , negligee and resume in English spelled without any diacritical mark. OK, I don't see negligee nearly as often as I would like. But by analogy to cliche, niche might easily be mispronounced.

Think of lingerie. I mean think of the word lingerie.

torpeau
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2014/11/10 - 3:54pm

Glenn said

Think of lingerie. I mean think of the word lingerie.

Lingerie has become "lan zher RAY" over the years.  I had an aunt who took offense at the mispronunciation of that word -- she took her English seriously.

Ron Draney
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2014/11/10 - 7:33pm

I've known plenty of people in my life who belong to that click, er--cleek.

deaconB
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2014/11/10 - 8:44pm

Ron Draney said
I've known plenty of people in my life who belong to that click, er--cleek.

 

RIP, Click.  Or is it Clack that died?

Lingerie is misnamed.  It doesn't make you want to linger, but is instead a call to action.

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2014/11/10 - 9:43pm

Apologies for going off-topic, but I just finished performing in Les Misérables and find it appalling how that title gets butchered in American English, lay MIZ-uh-ROB being, perhaps, the least offensive. Even Americans with a nodding acquaintance with French tend not to pronounce it in a French manner, despite its clearly being a French title, when they are speaking English. Only those fluent in French, or nearly so, seem to be comfortable with the French pronunciation in American conversation. I suppose that may be more psychological than linguistic.

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