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Idea pronounced I-Dear
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2010/01/03 - 9:23am

Take the word idea. Why is it pronounced I-DEAR?
Another example;

The state of Alabama Why is it pronounced ALA-BAMER?

Does anyone know where this came from?

Help me as it's driving me nuts

Gary

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2010/01/03 - 11:57am

I am pretty sure it's a Brooklyn-Italian thing.

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2010/01/03 - 7:22pm

I grew up in Rhode Island and pronounced idea as idear. My reasoning is that I dropped the r in words like car, yard, party, Harvard, Bar Harbor, so the r has to go somewhere. I call it the Conservation of r, like energy and matter, r can't be destroyed and is preserved and has to be used somewhere else. I don't do it as often since I moved to California, but the students we looked surprised when I said "I went to a birthday potty (party). Somehow the r just escapes from my words.

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2010/01/03 - 8:41pm

Haha, like "lorinauda" (law and order) or "supanover" (supernova).

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2010/01/08 - 10:05am

I call it the Conservation of r, like energy and matter, r can't be destroyed and is preserved and has to be used somewhere else.

Is that why we have Talk Like a Pirate Day? Arrrgh.

Emmett

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2010/01/18 - 7:39pm

You can read a bit about this phenomenon, which is called R-insertion, here.

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2010/01/20 - 4:39pm

This reminds me of watching New Yankee Workshop with Norm Abrams. He would always pronounce "drawer" as draw, and "drawings" as drawerings. Particularly funny at the end of the show when he pitched drawerings you could purchase for the chest of draws project.

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2010/01/21 - 4:11pm

Since you mentioned Alabamer, I have to wonder how, in this great country of ours, entire states can be mispronounced by so many. Cities, too. Io-way, Oh-ruh-gonn, Massa-two-sits (well, OK, that was just my old econ prof, but why?). Boise/Boy-zee/Boy-see; Pierre/Pear;Los Angeles/Las Angle-eez. Must be millions of those around, without even going to the more arcane Native American names, which have often suffered alteration of some sort. Tulare, Humptulips, Puyallup, and Seattle all come to mind.

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2010/01/24 - 11:20am

Grant Barrett said:

You can read a bit about this phenomenon, which is called R-insertion, here.


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2010/01/24 - 11:26am

I have lived in Portsmouth, Virginia where african-american folks pronounce the letter R as arrr-uhh. And most native Portsmouth-ians pronounce the ou sound as oo, such as aboot the hoose. Interesting that such a limited geographical area differs from the rest of the adjoining area of Hampton Roads.

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2010/01/29 - 12:36pm

I've met people from South Dakota who say "warsh" instead of "wash". "I warshed my laundary".

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2010/02/01 - 2:54pm

Argosworks said:

I grew up in Rhode Island and pronounced idea as idear. My reasoning is that I dropped the r in words like car, yard, party, Harvard, Bar Harbor, so the r has to go somewhere. I call it the Conservation of r, like energy and matter, r can't be destroyed and is preserved and has to be used somewhere else. I don't do it as often since I moved to California, but the students we looked surprised when I said "I went to a birthday potty (party). Somehow the r just escapes from my words.


Growing up in the north east Connecticut I picked up a bit of Massachusetts accent. Primarily from the Worcester area. I often just ask people to watch there step around me because I tend to drop R's all over the place. I have to tell you I love your theory much better. Maybe with the new hadron collider in Europe they can find a way to help us re-merge our R's with our words, as with so many protons in the collider.

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2010/04/08 - 7:26am

Here in East Tennessee some folks pronounce this word like "ideal".

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2010/04/09 - 12:27pm

There is a quick-change auto service franchise that would cater to those of you who insert Rs. It's named "Duke of Oil." (I'm not making this up.)

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