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hold card, hole card
EmmettRedd
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2015/02/09 - 12:31pm

I had a colleague use the first term in an email and thought I would look up the Ngram. Hole card is far the most common.

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2015/02/10 - 3:06pm

I play a lot of poker. Both home games and casinos. It's always been "hole card." Possibly a confusion caused by Kenny Rogers' The Gambler  hit?

Or maybe even a mis-hearing of "ace in the hole" with "hold" (as a noun) being substituted?

Then again, perusing some of those Ngram citations, it appears the "hold card" is specific to blackjack (which I rarely play). And also to Texas Hold'em, a poker variation I also rarely play.

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2015/02/10 - 4:45pm

And there is also the possibility of a typo because of the proximity/same finger on the keyboard.

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2015/02/11 - 3:00pm

I'm with Heimhenge. It is properly hole card and comes from poker. A player's hole card or hole cards are the cards dealt face down intended to be seen only by that player. I would consider hold card an eggcorn.

Poker eggcorns

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2015/02/12 - 8:13am

Have to admit I did not know the word "eggcorn" until I read Glenn's post, followed his links, and then looked up the definition. Thank you sir, for introducing me to a word for which I already had the meaning  but not the word. I've mentioned several times in this forum how, back in grade school, I thought the Taj Mahal was the "Tajma Hall" or maybe "Tazhma Hall" ... from the images in travelogue and history shows, it was obviously (to me) a "Hall" of some type.

Then one day I saw it in print and realized the error of my ways. I knew this had to be a common enough category of error to deserve a name, but I just didn't know what to call it. Now I do. And as Glenn's link showed, there are forums devoted entirely to eggcorns. Another of Glenn's links pointed me to a thread on this forum, where he introduced that word to some other forum members. But that thread predates my membership by 8 years.

There are 1.5 billion hits when Goggle "word for the day" or "word of the day," a number that truly surprised me. Looking at those search results 3 pages deep confirms they are indeed websites dedicated to teaching you one new (usually obscure) word each day, though not all in English.

Nonetheless, not a one of them are in my favorite bookmarks. I prefer forums like this to learn new words, since they aren't just chosen randomly from lists of obscure words or at the whim of the website author. Rather, here at AWWW those words are introduced, in context, and in a discussion where I at least have some amount of interest.

Google does a nice job when you enter "define eggcorn" (or whatever). Would be nice if there was something like an "inverse dictionary" online, where one could enter a reasonably clear definition, and a list of candidate words would be returned. If you Google "inverse dictionary" or "reverse dictionary" you get millions of hits, many of which are simply the definition of "inverse" or "reverse."

But you also get some hits for actual "reverse dictionaries." So I tried a few of them, using the cited definition of "eggcorn" (and permutations of same). None returned "eggcorn" as a possible solution. Maybe that's because spell-check flags "eggcorn." Maybe that's because the search algorithms still need work. But if anyone knows a reverse dictionary that works really well, please post the link. Thanks.

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2015/02/12 - 4:20pm

Heimhenge said
Have to admit I did not know the word "eggcorn" until I read Glenn's post, followed his links, and then looked up the definition.

Thanks from me as well, although I admit to being disappointed that egghorn comes from acorn rather than from the delicious rooster-politician Foghorn Egghorn.

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2015/02/13 - 8:02am

deaconB said

Thanks from me as well, although I admit to being disappointed that egghorn comes from acorn rather than from the delicious rooster-politician Foghorn Egghorn.

Google find him under Foghorn Leghorn.

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2015/02/13 - 8:09am

EmmettRedd said

deaconB said

Thanks from me as well, although I admit to being disappointed that egghorn comes from acorn rather than from the delicious rooster-politician Foghorn Egghorn.

Google find him under Foghorn Leghorn.

But that wouldn't be an egghorn, now, would it?

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2015/02/13 - 8:11am

You are both right. Next topic: The internet -- blessing or curse?

Colonel Foghorn Egghorn Senior
Foghorn Leghorn's ancestor was captured behind enemy lines in the Great Chicken and Egg War. His memories of it are a little scrambled, though. Foghorn Egghorn is the only ancestor to look nothing like his descendant, as he his just a big egg.

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