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Going for that Anti-Marketing Dollar (full episode)
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2009/05/06 - 8:58am

What an interesting online reference, Glenn (Bartleby). When I saved it to add to my list of online language resources, I had to think about what to name it! In the end I called it Bartleby Language and Lit.

We've been picking on, and defending, that poor sentence for quite some time now. The “there are” versus “there is” question could be avoided altogether thus: "There are some patients whom we cannot cure, none we cannot help or comfort, and none we cannot harm." But I suspect that the creator of that sentence crafted it to sound just like it does, the same way Lincoln crafted "Four score and seven years ago . . ."

We could update the darn sentence: "There are some patients whom we cannot cure, but there are none we cannot bill, cannot bankrupt, and none we cannot turn away for lack of insurance."

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2009/05/06 - 9:16am

I love the site bartleby.com. And “Bartleby the Scrivener” (Melville) is one of my favorite short stories. It has haunted me from the time I first read it as a child. I presume that is the reference for the website's name, but I may just be fixating.

And I just realized that my post above was my 100th post. Time to celebrate with chocolate.

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2009/05/06 - 4:17pm

Yes, congrats on 100 - not just for quantity of posts but quality as well! Grant and Martha will be sending you a pair of autographed boxers with the WWW logo on them - an apropos gift as they always do their show by the seat of their pants.

I will find and read the story Bartleby the Scrivener (perhaps it is available online in the public domain). You didn't say what it is about, which is fine because I like nice surprises.

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2009/05/17 - 6:22am

A Twitter follower tweeted this link to a video of Cosby using "zerbert" on The Cosby Show, but I am pretty sure I remember him using the word in his standup comedy routines, which predate the television show by some years.

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2009/05/17 - 5:38pm

The plural of hiatus can also be hiatus because it's a Latin noun of the fourth declension (nouns with genitive in us and singular = plural). Another example is apparatus (pl. apparatuses or apparatus), not apparati, since not all Latin words ending in us have i in the plural, only second declension nouns (those with genitive in i).

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2009/05/18 - 3:17pm

Just catching up with the recession advertising discussion here with samaphore. You know, it's funny: A day or two ago I ran across an article saying just the opposite, that advertisers are using somewhat gloomier language to try to sell things. Of course, now I can't put my hands on it. Then again, I did come across this one from 1991. Plus ca change . . .

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2009/05/18 - 5:01pm

The 1991 NYT article is noticeably better than the current article on the same subject. Plus ca change, plus c'est change, or, vive la difference!

Martha Barnette
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2009/05/18 - 10:57pm

Yes, it was a good article, wasn't it? I could have sworn I saw another one in the last couple of days, or at least a headline to that effect. But it eludes me. Grrrrrrr.

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2009/08/16 - 6:17am

I am so surprised that no old salts (or young salts for that matter) mentioned the Bosun's Pipe. There are many things that can be piped on a ship as well as "pipe down" as you mentioned, someone of some importance or significance and coming aboard might be "piped aboard" as an example.

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2009/08/16 - 8:40pm

I remember first hearing "agita" in the 1991 Sylvester Stallone comedy "Oscar":

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg0abmq2DLw

Harry Shearer as Italian tailor Guido Finucci says it at about 3:35 in the above clip.

I remember looking it up and it always stuck with me as one of my favorite words to use to confuse my friends.

BTW, I think this is one Stallone's best movies, although it is often underrated.

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2009/08/19 - 3:35pm

I have used Ping as pinging off the walls when referring to kids. Could the term come from Ping Pong? I wondered if even the IT version of ping could have come from the game.

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