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Give or take, and Noir speak
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2010/09/25 - 10:25pm

Hi,
I have two questions.

I know "give or take," as in, "Go about a mile, give or take, then turn right," means more or less. But does the "give" mean more, or less, than a mile? And of course the same for "take."

I'm a writer working on a screenplay that though it's set in Hell, has a Film Noir feel to it with a hard-boiled Detective and a Femme Fatale and all that. I've found one list of Film Noir speak online , I'm sorry I forget where it is, that's okay, but I was wondering if you guys had any suggestions of any other websites that featured that distinctive 1940s Noir slang? Don't be a sap, Pal, or I'll have to send a bruno to drill ya unless you take your heap and dangle out of there to someplace not even a flim flamming shamus can spot ya. Ya get me, buster?

Thanks all yous Cats and Kittens,

David Burton
Author, Blood Justice (coming Oct. 1)
http://bylightunseenmedia.com/bj.htm
Blog - http://www.davidburtonwriting.wordpress.com
dcburtonjr@gmail.com

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2010/09/26 - 12:46am

You may be able to pick up some noirspeak from the atavistic main character in the movie "Man of the Century". It's set in the mid-1990s, but the main character ("Johnny Twennies") speaks and acts like he's living around the time of the stock market crash, give or take a decade. The people around him tolerate this quirk to varying degrees.

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2010/09/27 - 6:34pm

Instinctively I think that the "give" in "give or take" means adding a little. I can see it could go either way. But "take" must definitely be subtracting a little, so I'll stick with "give" meaning adding.

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2010/09/28 - 7:58am

I just found this site in a roundabout way (listening to Flash Pulp podcast and checking out links at skinner.fm):
http://www.miskatonic.org/slang.html
I think this might help with the noir slang!!!

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