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Filking/Contrafactum/ARGH
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2011/03/26 - 12:17pm

Gee, I haven't even finished hearing the answer about contrafacta or filks, and I'm already enraged.

GARRISON KEILLOR DOES THIS ALL THE TIME ON PRAIRIE HOME COMPANION. ARGH! HOW CAN YOU BE ON PUBLIC RADIO AND NOT KNOW THIS?

Years ago in Madison, he made us (the audience) since one hymn to the tune of another. The tricky part was that one song was 3/4 time, the other was 4/4 time. Because both pieces had the same number of notes, we could do it, but only by not thinking about the fact that the beats didn't match up..

On a more serious note, in high school I had to memorize a good chunk of The Rime of the Ancient Mariner. One of my classmates realized that you can sing the Rime of the Ancient Mariner to "Gilligan's Island, and that's how we all learned it. It was hard not to hum through the test.

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2011/03/26 - 12:47pm

I would call this "synchrosyllabic" this can be done because syllables of different poems or lyrics are coincidental.

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2011/03/26 - 2:30pm

A correction is in order, here. The term "filk" was originally a typographical error in a fanzine article written by Lee Jacobs in the early 1950s. This was at a time when folk music was becoming popular, and as fandom is a reflection of the mundane world in many ways, and since acoustic guitars are pretty easily carried around and eminently playable, many science fiction fans naturally gravitated to it.

Originally, filking did, indeed, involve writing new, science-fictionally oriented lyrics to well-known tunes as parodies or to comment on fannish events and politics, but it quickly graduated to a more serious form, with the writing talents of authors like Poul Anderson (who was also heavily involved with the SCA), Randall Garrett and Marion Zimmer Bradley writing new lyrics to their own music. This aspect of filk has become dominant, with many of the filkers and filk-groups recording professionally and offering tapes and cds at conventions, through the mail, and online.

(As an aside, a number of typos - or to use the fannish term, tyops - have entered the fannish lexicon, including "potscrad" for "postcard" and, more recently, "cow-orkers" for "co-workers." Us sf fans like to play with words, since we can't get dates.)

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2011/03/26 - 3:30pm

Hi Bud, and welcome to one of the best forums around!

As a fellow SF fan, I thought you might appreciate this. It's kinda' on-thread, but it's an example of replacing the words of a well-known poem with scientific verbiage. So I guess that's not "filk," huh? Or is there another word for that besides just "parody?" It was written by my brother (also an SF fan and science geek) when he was 15 years old, which is what amazed me since he got (almost) all the science right. Enjoy …

TWINKLE TWINKLE LITTLE STAR (Revised)

Twinkle twinkle little star
How I wonder what you are
Nuclear furnace in the sky
Fusing atomic nuclei

Emitting all types of radiation
Particles and photons with wavelength variations
Streaming plasma dense with ions
Nuclei releasing muons and pions

Radiation begins to cease
Outward pressures tend to decrease
Only 12 billion years have elapsed
Star contracts in gravitational collapse

Mass is now a neutron star, but
Collapse is too rapid…it contracts too far
Gravitation warps time and space
Energy vortex to another place

Spacetime tunnel beyond comprehension
Links far and near through the 4th dimension
The star has formed, from a very great force,
A black hole in space and a quasi-stellar source

– Dave 1973

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2011/03/26 - 8:02pm

Oh, it certainly qualifies as filk in the original sense. I'd love to hear someone sing this.

One of the aspects of the segment that I wanted to comment on had to do with this very thing: common meter. There are relatively few rhythm/rhyme schemes thatg are really euphonious, so the fact that you can sing so many different sets of lyrics to the same melody is inevitable, if frequently surprising (not to mention funny as hell). One of my favorites is the recording by Barnes and Barnes of the theme for "Green Acres" sung to the tune of the Beatles' "A Day in the Life", titled (of course) "A Day in the Life of Green Acres". It's not quite as croggling as "Amazing Grace" sung to "Gilligan's Island", but it's still neater'n a skeeter's peter.

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2011/03/27 - 12:58pm

Cool. I'll have to let my bro know he wrote "filk" before he even knew the word for it. And I had forgotten there was indeed a musical score for that poem ... been so many moons since I heard it or sung it. Doubt I'll be able to talk my bro into performing it though.

By the way, I loved Barnes and Barnes but had not heard their Green Acres piece. So of course I looked for it online. Didn't find it. If you have a URL for it please let me know. I did, however, find this version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtakUulufNk

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2011/03/27 - 9:33pm

Here's the YouTube link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtakUulufNk

Same as your URL. That's B&B all right; I don't think there was ever a video, just the single.

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2011/03/28 - 9:27am

>>> It's not quite as croggling as "Amazing Grace" sung to "Gilligan's Island", but it's still neater'n a skeeter's peter. <<<<

Bud: can I just say that this sentence totally makes my day? And thanks for all the other great info.

Heteromeles: Because we didn't hear those episodes, I guess.

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2011/03/28 - 5:37pm

Martha, I live to serve. Or I sieve to lurve, I forget which.

I sent a longer note concerning "filking" and its origins in science-ficton fandom to the hosts, and was asked to post it here; given the slightest encouragement, I suppose I can force myself:

The fannish lexicon is a large one, and one that has been written about from both within the field and without. It's an insider slang, as most of them are, designed to help bind together a group all too frequently ridiculed and sneered at by non-fans, or "mundanes." Fans, whether meeting together at cons or exchanging self-produced fanzines laboriously mimeographed or spirit-duplicated (mostly replaced these days by blogs, more's the pity), gather together as much to enjoy each others' company and swap stories about other cons as they do to celebrate the science-fictional literature that brought them together in the first place.

It was, for a long time, the only place that nerds, geeks and book-worms could get together and not get beat up or teased; we could talk to each other about the books we loved without having to worry about being called names.

Except, of course, when we called each OTHER names. Like every other group of human beings with specialized interests, fans can get plenty cranky with each other. In fact, at the very first World Science-Fiction Convention, NyCon in 1939, part of the fannish group which organized it denied entry to the OTHER part of the same group (the Futurian Society, a New York City group which produced more than its share of sf authors, editors and artists) because of mundane politics - half were Republicans and the other half, Socialists. Well, I never claimed we were perfect, just put-upon. This wasn't the first fannish feud, and it was certainly not the last; the history of science-fiction, both fans and pros, is rife with conflict and one can sometimes be deafened by the twin sounds of hairs being split and nostrils flaring. Such, as the man said, is life.

So. More than you wanted to know, I'm sure. Believe me, I can empty a room in six seconds when I get going; you oughta hear me go on about book-tweakery like edition points and errata sheets. I enjoy your show, and frequently learn something new, which keeps me younger than my 58 years - young enough to enjoy Fatboy Slim and the Chemical Brothers, at any rate. And never forget: Yngvie is a louse.

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2011/03/28 - 5:43pm

martha said:

>>> It's not quite as croggling as "Amazing Grace" sung to "Gilligan's Island", but it's still neater'n a skeeter's peter. <<<<

Bud: can I just say that this sentence totally makes my day?

That's an expression I heard in early childhood, albeit NOT at home. My folks, being devout Southern Baptists, would never have used it. The kid I heard it from heard it from his grandfolks, who came from deeper south than Roanoke, Virginia, and I assume they were NOT devout Southern Baptists.

"Croggle," by the way, is another fanish neologism. You know those occasions when somebody says "I can't wrap my head around that"? They're croggled.

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