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Feminine/Masculine Punctuation?
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2012/10/17 - 12:56pm

Is there any connection to the SHAPE of the exclamation point and the question mark and the beliefs about masculinity/femininity?

The exclamation point's shape is masculine - phallic, strong, straight, stiff, & represents confident, surety, and authority .

The question mark shape is feminine - round, shapely, curved, a vessel, womb-like & represents in language weakness, the unknown, in need of help, uncertainty.

 

I have no idea what the origin of the these two marks are, but I would love to know if these concepts of masculine/feminine played a part in determining the actual shape of the mark.

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2012/10/17 - 5:49pm

How interesting and insightful. Old dr. Freud must be sitting up thinking how did I miss this?

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2012/10/17 - 6:01pm

The exact origins aren't known, so far as I can tell. One theory seems to be that ! developed from the Latin word IO and ? developed from the Latin word QVAESTIO, just as $ developed from the Spanish word Peseta. Whatever the origin, I see no reason to believe that the shapes were chosen for their perceived gender qualities. That theory seems entirely fanciful.

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2012/10/18 - 6:41am

So let me tell another theory. This one is kinda reverse and assumes the shape of the question mark as being something literally universally accepted, the theory itself will clear up what 'literally universally' means.

They say that the ear is shaped like a question mark since you hear the answers of your questions with it!

Now one might argue: "Don't you do so through your eyes?"

-Well, it is what it is. I  didn't come up with that!!

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2012/10/20 - 12:36pm

I still like the theory at top, more intriguing for not having any explanations from history. Too bad no one else has picked up.

It is as good as anything the psychology specialists ever put out, including old Freud.

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2012/10/20 - 3:00pm

I suppose it depends on what your interest in words is, historical or mythological. I think both Grant and Martha do their best to address history. Mythology is a different matter.

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2012/10/20 - 3:50pm

This is gonna go endlessly, but here it is-
Mythology: Giant Cyclops eats Odysseus's men. No one will bother to dispute that.
A well thought, well reasoned proposal is not mythology. That's all what Einstein and Freud ever did. Freud's ideas have never and will never advance beyond proposals, which makes them no better than the idea at top, which is very very good and incisive in my estimation.

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2012/10/20 - 7:30pm

The proposition that the shape of punctuation developed historically from notions of gender characteristics is either true or false (i.e., a "fact" 😉 ). There's no evidence that it's true, so far as I know. Wishing doesn't make it so and propagating the idea because it appeals to some aesthetic notion is the propagation of misinformation.

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2012/10/20 - 8:23pm

Wish: who in here wishes what?
Propergate: what or who propergates what?
Misinformation: a proposal is no information, let alone mis.
Aesthetic? Now we are going places: throw out lots of things, and sometimes you get lucky.

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2012/10/20 - 9:09pm

I really appreciate the input. It was just a passing curiosity I've always wondered. And I went to a liberal school and studied gender and ethnicity, so these kinds of strange connections pop up in my head a lot.

And there are so many factors that come into play with the evolution of language - I would hesitate to say anything can only be "true" or "false" - but that also goes with everything else in life.

Cheers!

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