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Experts: Bankruptcy May Give Detroit Chance to Start Fresh
Raffee
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2013/07/21 - 4:00am

Why shouldn't be 'afresh'?

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2013/07/21 - 9:38am

I think "afresh" is proper here. "Afresh" is an adverb to describe the verb "start", while "fresh" is an adjective.   It could be reworded to say, "... chance to have a fresh start."   Then start has changed to a noun and the adjective,"fresh", would describe it.

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2013/07/21 - 12:16pm
News headlines always have that clipped style. Notice they omitted the 'a' from 'a chance,' which they will not do in the main story.  
Nevertheless, 'fresh' is quite ok as adverb: fresh out of milk; muffins baked fresh daily.
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2013/07/21 - 3:52pm

Robert gets to the point quick: fresh as an adverb works just fine. I may talk fresh and fight dirty, but Robert works hard and shoots straight. And he types fast.

There are several adverbs called "flat adverbs" for which the -ly must be or may be omitted.

Here's a short (incomplete) list of examples: “far,” “fast,” “hard,” “slow,” “quick,” “straight," “clean,” “close,” “deep,” and “fine”.

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2013/07/22 - 11:25pm

Robert said ...  Nevertheless ...

Being ticklish about clarity, I realize, belatedly, how I had used the word 'nevertheless' so poorly.  
 
'Nevertheless' is used, when properly, to reassert a point by acknowledging the existence of counterpoints that are implied elsewhere: Her presentation was dismally poor; nevertheless her ideas  deserve serious considerations.
 
In that sense the 'nevertheless' in my previous post was quite wrong, or at best a foggy version of, say,  'In any case' or 'Regardless.'
 
This ticklishness about words might be dismissively characterized as 'tight-donkey' via translation from ancient scripture. But of what use are words if you are careless of their proper meanings let alone nuances?
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