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'Chinaman' sounding like 'china'
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2015/02/11 - 10:27pm

Does anyone know for sure what kind of object is the couple of  "Chinamen" that novelist Ishiguro has in his English nobleman's household ?

Was it his lordship's wish that the Chinaman on the upstairs landing should be exchanged with the one outside this door? ...were polished by someone then replaced incorrectly.

Most likely they are decorative statues,   were it not for the casual way Ishiguro uses the word , making it sound like  a generic term for something commonly found in English households.  ( Certainly  there is no such thing in English culture, were it in fact a statue of a Chinese man. )

Are the objects shown in his movie 'The Remain of the Day'  ?

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2015/02/12 - 4:05pm

In the book Tess of the d'Urbervilles:

"Well--whatever is that a-creeping down thy back, Car Darch?" said one of the group suddenly.

All looked at Car. Her gown was a light cotton print, and from the back of her head a kind of rope could be seen descending to some distance below her waist, like a Chinaman's queue.

"'Tis her hair falling down," said another.

No; it was not her hair: it was a black stream of something oozing from her basket, and it glistened like a slimy snake in the cold still rays of the moon.

"'Tis treacle," said an observant matron

What is a Chinaman's queue?

Googling for clues, I found the True Republican of 4 May 1892, which says it's the long hair of Chinese men which may or may not be plaited.  The Mongols promoted the hairstyle, because law officers could tie together multiple miscreants.  But I also found this item on 'Eating Air'

EATING AIR .

A Strange Expression That Is Not Entirely Without Reason .

According to a missionary in the East Indies , the native of Hindustan recognizes as one of the differences between a dog and a man , the superior breathing capacity of the latter ; for example : We say in English , A dog walks out , and A man walks out ; but in Hindustanee the expression is : A dog walks out , and A man goes forth eating air . The expression is said to be three thousand or more years old , and so its origin must be lost in obscurity , nevertheless it is significant as expressing the importance of air in the maintenance of human life . In a certain sense , air is food ; it is indeed the most necessary of all substances required by the body . A man can live a month , or even two months , without solid food , and a week , or perhaps eight days , without drinking , but the vital processes are suspended within a few minutes when the supply of air is cut off .  - Good Health .

in the 18th and 19th centuries, a Chinaman was a merchant's sailing vessel.  In mining, a chinaman is a chute.  A baler that makes square bales has ab plunging feeder called a chinaman.  In Chicago politics, your chinaman is what in NYC politics is called a rabbi - someone who pulls strings for you.  It can be the flat conical hat worn by coolies in the field, especially in offensive political cartoons.  It can be the breaking googly (pitch) of a southpaw in cricket. It cam be a dealer in porcelain or a porcelain figurine.

I can't imagine that a statue would need much polishing, nor that they would be removed for polishing, or that they would accidentally switched.  I would rather think that the term is for a piece of furniture that serves as a clothes hamper or wash station, given the 'chinese laundry' stereotype, or perhaps a piece holding a tea set and maybe crumpets, to make serving tea more convenient, tea also being stereotypically Chinese.  But this is obviously just conjecture.

 
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2015/02/18 - 2:37pm

What is a Chinaman’s queue?

"The queue or cue is a hairstyle, frequently used in reference to men, in which the hair is worn long and gathered up into a ponytail, often braided. It was worn traditionally by the Manchu people of Manchuria and certain Native American groups."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queue_%28hairstyle%29

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